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But expecting everybody who works at Panera Bread and retail stores to compete for the limited pool of $33 / hr jobs somehow isn't, when we clearly don't have that many jobs to go around is?
IMHO the key is to improve the business environment so that better paying jobs do indeed exist. Our governents at the local/state/national levels can and should focus on what they can do to make it easier for businesses to grow.
The business of America is business. What's good for business (for the most part) is good for America
1) I had an employee who had cerebral palsy as a birth defect. He had the ability to push a cart up and down the aisles of cubicles and deliver mail. That's it. No ability to learn. He tried - he took classes at the local community college, never getting above a D. He had desire, but no ability. He was not lazy. He was disabled.
2) I have a relative who is a high functioning autistic. He isn't dumb - but he lacks the ability to successfully interact with people.
3) A local grocery store employes two people who are mentally retarded/Down's Syndrome. They bag groceries.
Yes, these are extreme cases, but my hat is off to the disabled who still try - and to employers everywhere who carve out a niche for them.
People that are disabled of course are a different story. I'm thinking of those that are not disabled.
If people are working min wage and they live frugally and are happy that way that's great.
It's the people that are complaining about crap pay yet not doing anything to increase their income, and think they should be able to afford all of the same things that higher wage earners have.
IMHO the key is to improve the business environment so that better paying jobs do indeed exist. Our governents at the local/state/national levels can and should focus on what they can do to make it easier for businesses to grow.
The business of America is business. What's good for business (for the most part) is good for America
Yeah exactly, and what these high minimum wage laws and government regulations do is make it harder for businesses to grow.
It seems there is a strong anti business attitude these days.
People want to almost punish businesses for operating, yet at the same time they want to depend on these businesses for their income and to support themselves.
People just take it for granted that these businesses will continue to operate under those conditions.
I think that's a mistake.
Especially in today's world with the internet and business being more global.
People that are disabled of course are a different story. I'm thinking of those that are not disabled.
If people are working min wage and they live frugally and are happy that way that's great.
It's the people that are complaining about crap pay yet not doing anything to increase their income, and think they should be able to afford all of the same things that higher wage earners have.
Why should people have to accept crap pay just because they take these jobs? Where does it say certain jobs have to pay low wages? Some people just can not do much or anything to increase there income does not mean they should have to live in poverty.
Read this , this is why many businesses can't pay much higher minimum wage...it would put them out of business.
Would you rather that happen? Would it be a big victory?
"Steve Saltzman, vice president of Dave's, said during a Committee of the Whole hearing on the issue that some of the company's Cleveland stores meet the grocery needs of the community but are barely profitable. A voter-driven initiative to set the city's minimum wage 85 percent higher than the state's $8.10-an-hour rate would devastate the company and leave some neighborhoods without a grocery store at all, he said."
"About 90 percent of the 34 companies that responded to the survey said the new wage requirements would put them at a competitive disadvantage that would be nearly impossible to overcome. "
"Several restaurant owners threatened — or guaranteed — closure if this bill passed.
Jim Mitich, president and COO of Ruth's Chris Steak House said he guaranteed one of the two locations in Baltimore would close if this bill passes. He said the other restaurant in the city may also end up closing and it would cost his business at least $1 million by 2020, according to his own analysis."
Read this , this is why many businesses can't pay much higher minimum wage...it would put them out of business.
Would you rather that happen? Would it be a big victory?
"Steve Saltzman, vice president of Dave's, said during a Committee of the Whole hearing on the issue that some of the company's Cleveland stores meet the grocery needs of the community but are barely profitable. A voter-driven initiative to set the city's minimum wage 85 percent higher than the state's $8.10-an-hour rate would devastate the company and leave some neighborhoods without a grocery store at all, he said."
"About 90 percent of the 34 companies that responded to the survey said the new wage requirements would put them at a competitive disadvantage that would be nearly impossible to overcome. "
By your reasoning, a MW employee is expected to better himself, yet, you don't hold businesses to the same standards. Businesses get to be entitled, and expect to coast on paying the same MW forever. They never have to improve.
Read this , this is why many businesses can't pay much higher minimum wage...it would put them out of business.
Would you rather that happen? Would it be a big victory?
"Steve Saltzman, vice president of Dave's, said during a Committee of the Whole hearing on the issue that some of the company's Cleveland stores meet the grocery needs of the community but are barely profitable. A voter-driven initiative to set the city's minimum wage 85 percent higher than the state's $8.10-an-hour rate would devastate the company and leave some neighborhoods without a grocery store at all, he said."
"About 90 percent of the 34 companies that responded to the survey said the new wage requirements would put them at a competitive disadvantage that would be nearly impossible to overcome. "
If you have read what I have written before you will know I am not one of the $15 advocates. I think it is to much and will probably cost to much for businesses. That does not mean I think the min wage should not go up to $10-11. If a business can not afford someone at those wages then they need to consider why they have that position and having an employee just so you can pay as low as possible to get work oden for you is not a good answer.
Why should people have to accept crap pay just because they take these jobs? Where does it say certain jobs have to pay low wages? Some people just can not do much or anything to increase there income does not mean they should have to live in poverty.
Jobs that require little talent pay less because the laws of supply and demand dictate that common people are not worth that much. People that work crap jobs are easily replaceable and there are many of them available so there is reason to pay them more.
They do not deserve more, nobody deserves anything. Except the freedom to make themselves more valuable to earn more money and a better life.
Value is not determined by existence. Value is determined by what you can do, how well you can do it, and how many others there are around you who can do the same thing.
An employer is under no obligation whatsoever to make your life comfortable simply because you exist and want it. It is up to you to make yourself valuable. Burger flippers are not valuable, it's that simple. They will always be paid at the very low end of scale, and that is correct, moral, just, logical, and just plain common sense.
The fact that some people don't have the motivation or inclination to increase their income DOES mean they should have to live in poverty. Absolutely. They have no right to take from others because they are lazy or without talent or motivation. There is no right to prosperity.
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By your reasoning, a MW employee is expected to better himself, yet, you don't hold businesses to the same standards. Businesses get to be entitled, and expect to coast on paying the same MW forever. They never have to improve.
Actually, the minimum wage should be repealed. The government has no business engaging in price fixing in the first place. And yes, businesses should always pay the least they can based on the law of supply and demand. Forever. If people in the labor pool don't like that, they can exercise their freedom as individuals and choose not to accept employment at a wage they deem to be too low. That will cause the employer to consider offering more money. Freedom and the law of supply and demand are the only morally correct way to determine wages. There is no right to any wage, or any job.
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