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Old 10-15-2016, 09:16 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Anyway, saw this article and made little sense to me.

I was hoping someone in the Eco Forum section could help explain it.

Why does the US never have to repay its debt?

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Does this make any sense?

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Old 10-15-2016, 11:57 AM
 
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It's a screed and it's none too precise, but the central point is correct. Neither the US nor any other major economy carrying debt will do anything but service that debt -- that is, make all scheduled payments of principal and interest. There is no reason on earth to pay off the debt, and even paying down a tiny bit of it ($367 billion) during the four years of the Clinton budget surpluses caused market dislocations. There is nothing magical or mysterious in any of this. Federal finance is simply different from personal or household finance.
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Old 10-15-2016, 12:15 PM
 
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Anyway, saw this article and made little sense to me.

I was hoping someone in the Eco Forum section could help explain it.

Why does the US never have to repay its debt?

LINK

Does this make any sense?

???
No that makes no sense at all and it's just another poorly written article by some very young fella - Raul Carrillo.
Both private and public debt needs to be either paid off or destroyed thru bankruptcies and defaults. Optimum debt level for the new organic economic growth to start is 130% debt/gdp.

Sometimes one must go through economic devastation (economic winters) in order to destroy bad debt (not hide it) and pave the way for a real recovery (spring). We are clearly in a depression. We have spent trillions of future Americans' money to try to cover up this fact. The real problem is that we have not addressed the real problem yet, which is debt.

We must reduce total debt to GDP to about 130% - this is the bottom - from today's 380%. So, from 2001-PRESENT we have not DONE ANYTHING but a coverup of the depression, which has cost us trillions.

Our leaders - and I am thiinking especially of the FED leaders - should be arrested for this. They are not ignorant of the Business Cycle. They are attempting to avoid or deny this truth, for the sake of their own interests. And our ignorance serves their ends, in fact.
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Old 10-15-2016, 12:51 PM
 
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Third-rate romance, low-rent rendezvous, It all rolls away like water off a duck's back.
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Old 10-15-2016, 02:18 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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Anyway, saw this article and made little sense to me.

I was hoping someone in the Eco Forum section could help explain it.

Why does the US never have to repay its debt?

LINK

Does this make any sense?

???
The article is poorly written nonsense.

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It's common to ask Washington to "balance its checkbook," but although the government faces constraints like inflation, it can always lend or spend money into existence.
Here, he downplays the negative impact and effects of Monetary Inflation on you personally, as well as all Americans. His claims are typical of people who have never experienced Monetary Inflation.
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Old 10-15-2016, 03:53 PM
 
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The article is poorly written nonsense.
It isn't particularly well written, but the central point is quite correct. The US will never pay of its public debt and neither will any other significant economy.

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Here, he downplays the negative impact and effects of Monetary Inflation on you personally, as well as all Americans. His claims are typical of people who have never experienced Monetary Inflation.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. We heard for years about how this giant overhang of hyper-inflation was going to come crashing down on us soon. Where is it?
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Old 10-16-2016, 10:54 AM
 
Location: Forests of Maine
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It's a screed and it's none too precise, but the central point is correct. Neither the US nor any other major economy carrying debt will do anything but service that debt -- that is, make all scheduled payments of principal and interest. There is no reason on earth to pay off the debt, and even paying down a tiny bit of it ($367 billion) during the four years of the Clinton budget surpluses caused market dislocations. There is nothing magical or mysterious in any of this. Federal finance is simply different from personal or household finance.
https://www.thebalance.com/us-debt-b...ercent-3306296

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... Bill Clinton: Added $1.396 trillion, a 32% increase to the $4.4 trillion debt level at the end of Bush's last budget, FY 1993.

FY 2001 - $133 billion.
FY 2000 - $18 billion.
FY 1999 - $130 billion.
FY 1998 - $113 billion.
FY 1997 - $188 billion.
FY 1996 - $251 billion.
FY 1995 - $281 billion.
FY 1994 - $281 billion.

U.S. Federal Debt by President / Political Party – truthful politics

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... The table below shows the increase in U.S. federal debt during the tenure of the respective President:

Increase in Billions US $
... $1,627 Bill Clinton


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Histor...es_public_debt
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1993–1997 Clinton Democratic ... +1,018[Billions of debt]
105–106 1997–2001 Clinton Democratic ... +401 [Billions of debt]


In my vocabulary, 'balancing the budget' does not mean max-out another credit card to cover expenses you can not afford with your budget.

He may have made a token drop-in-the-bucket payment on debt, BUT at the same time he DOUBLED our national debt.

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Old 10-16-2016, 11:25 AM
 
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In my vocabulary, 'balancing the budget' does not mean max-out another credit card to cover expenses you can not afford with your budget.
Your vocabulary -- among other things -- is woefully incomplete. YOU CANNOT DETERMINE DEFICITS BY DIFFERENCING SUCCESSIVE DEBT POSITIONS. There is much more than that involved.

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He may have made a token drop-in-the-bucket payment on debt, BUT at the same time he DOUBLED our national debt.
A total of $367 billion worth of debt held by the public was bought down over four years. The overall debt rose over the period because SURPLUS collections by Social Security were invested in Treasury securities. Did you take that into account? Were you even aware of it?
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Old 10-16-2016, 11:36 AM
 
Location: Forests of Maine
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Our national debt is public information. Anyone may google it and will find the same data presented on multiple sites.

Our national debt has grown, it continues to grow.

Calculate that away for us.
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Old 10-16-2016, 12:09 PM
 
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Why not just admit that you don't know how any of this works? You are basically claiming that if there is more money in the coffee can today than there was a week ago, it is impossible that anyone took some out this past Tuesday. Such a a notion is simply silly. Deficits are the excess of outlays over receipts. This is the only proper way to calculate them. Either do it that way or don't do it at all. Other methods will only end in embarrassment.
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