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Old 12-26-2016, 05:42 PM
 
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Hello,

Is UBI (Universal Basic Income) Inevitable? (Basically welfare-for-all). Given that more and more jobs are being automated, fewer well-paying jobs will be available. Self-driving systems will undoubtedly replace most driving jobs; and manual labor of all kinds will drop off. Even many white-collar jobs are being outsourced or computerized.

Does that mean that eventually, only a handful of people will need to work (maintaining and designing the systems), while the majority of society is basically on a generous welfare package? Or do the rules of economics say that something else will happen?
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Old 12-26-2016, 05:50 PM
 
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only enough for a loaf of bread, three bottles of water, a pack of cigs per day and a govt issued tent... want more, you go work for it

why do people think a ubi would provide enough income for them to keep the lifestyle they have living in their parent's basement?

basic living = food/water/roof, it doesnt include "comfort"
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Old 12-27-2016, 06:09 AM
 
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No. Automation is nothing new. It's been around for centuries.
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Old 12-27-2016, 06:55 AM
 
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So have curmudgeons, but despite them, we will move closer and closer to a UBI-like system as the years and decades roll by. Like PPACA, people will wonder why we didn't get started with it sooner.

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Old 12-27-2016, 07:00 AM
 
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Being that UBI is a worldwide trend plus machines are doing more jobs, I would say it's inevitable for the US.
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Old 12-27-2016, 08:56 AM
 
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I doubt it. What we will see is something similar to the third world. The rich will live in the big affluent cites, and everyone else will live in slums on the outskirts in dire poverty.
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Old 12-27-2016, 09:01 AM
 
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Consolidate all of the govt welfare programs and turn it into a basic income instead. Should be less money and not so bloated.
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Old 12-27-2016, 10:39 AM
 
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More like splitting people into mainstream and subsistence/underground economies, mass expropriation of property from the "undeground", police state and possibly concentration camps and public sterilization. A lot depends on availability of resources and that global warming thing Trump fans deny. Anyhow the future is bleak.

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Old 12-27-2016, 11:02 AM
 
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Consolidate all of the govt welfare programs and turn it into a basic income instead. Should be less money and not so bloated.
Using the word "bloated" does to your credibility about what going to church in a creepy clown costume would.
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Old 12-27-2016, 12:15 PM
 
Location: South Carolina
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only enough for a loaf of bread, three bottles of water, a pack of cigs per day and a govt issued tent... want more, you go work for it

why do people think a ubi would provide enough income for them to keep the lifestyle they have living in their parent's basement?

basic living = food/water/roof, it doesnt include "comfort"
Except that automation will take most jobs away so getting a job is not an option. It is obvious you do not understand automation or just want to be ignorant and pretend it will not happen.
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