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Old 04-29-2017, 10:10 PM
 
Location: Ruidoso, NM
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The profit you kiddies consider a dirty word is the entrepreneur's just reward for the risk of his/her capital; -- and every time the little folks in the Great Lefty Playpen start pointing in the same direction and grunting in the same key, the price (reward) for risking the fruits of one's labor goes up.
Just reward? How much is just? If only you'd have similar awareness of the grunting in the Great Righty Playpen. Together both sides of the playpen are quite a symphony of BS!

 
Old 04-29-2017, 10:56 PM
 
Location: Free From The Oppressive State
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Really you know how much housing is all across the country? What is your idea of what is cheap?
I know a couple of states, entire states, where housing is very cheap for a good piece of property, including house. I'm not going to share that on this thread because I don't want the entitlement crowd moving there.

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So your choice of housing is different, but should the need to survive on be free or very very cheap. I mean, we need power, water, gas (heat, cook) without those, we couldnt cook, heat our homes, water to drink. shouldnt least they be free as a need to survive?
No matter what you do, at some point you're going to have to work for things.

If we use cash, it means that you are making a deal with someone. They say, "this is how much cash I want for this" and you say "ok". Or go without. Where do you get the cash?

If we use other items for bartering, you are making a deal with someone. They say, "I want 75 chickens a month for providing you with 1000 gallons of clean water", and you say, "ok". Or go without. Where do you get the chickens?

If we use labor for labor, you are making a deal with someone. They say, "I want you to plow this land this week, then I want you to paint my house the next week, then I want you to repair my car the following week, etc" and you say "ok". Or go without. Where do you get the tools and the skills needed? How did you pay for those tools and the skills needed?

That's how it works. No one is entitled to someone elses product or labor simply because they think they should "just get it because we need it".

If you don't want to participate in that type of society, then go live in the woods by yourself. Oh! Dang it, you're still going to have to work because no one is going to build your shelter for you, collect your water for you, sterilize your water for you, build your fires for you, trap your food for you...

No matter what you do, you're going to have to work. Stating that you should "just be given" all of the things that you want, including, apparently, 24/7 a/c means that you want to take from another against their will.

That's called "theft".
 
Old 04-30-2017, 12:07 AM
 
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I do not know about free but housing should be cheaper. When people are spending a majority of their income on housing that is a problem. If we made housing less expensive people would have more income freed up.
How are "we" going to make housing less expensive?
 
Old 04-30-2017, 12:43 AM
 
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Housing prices are a function of supply and demand. If you are unable to compete with peers in your community then you should move somewhere where housing is less desirable (cheaper).

If you would like to compete then you should consider self-educating yourself which is the most rapid way to increase your earnings potential.

You could also become grateful for your running water, lights and other accoutrements available to you in this great country. Louis Hayes does some great work on this subject of being grateful for paying bills.
 
Old 04-30-2017, 05:15 AM
 
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Can you give a list of the better infrastructure, low cost countries? And the tax burden on the citizens of those countries would be great, as well.
Having a knee-jerk, built-in preference for private sector goods and services over public sector goods and services turns out to be a peculiarly American form of irrationality.
 
Old 04-30-2017, 05:22 AM
 
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Sorry, that was tried in what used to be called the Soviet Union.
Not THIS again! It's as overworn as Hitler or Alinsky.
 
Old 04-30-2017, 05:28 AM
 
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That's how it works. No one is entitled to someone elses product or labor simply because they think they should "just get it because we need it".
Two of the basic reasons why humans form societies to begin with are risk-sharing and redistribution of income. It is only hermits, recluses, and other forms of sociophobe who manage to see things differently.
 
Old 04-30-2017, 05:33 AM
 
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Housing prices are a function of supply and demand.
Which in turn depend directly on a host of other factors. Keep in mind that the notion of supply-and-demand doesn't actually explain very much. Those x-like graphs are really just a cartoon that helps illustrate one small aspect of economic behavior.
 
Old 04-30-2017, 05:43 AM
 
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Heres a movie you might enjoy,"Alone in the wilderness" about Dick Proeneke living off the land in Alaska=


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYJKd0rkKss

If you want everything for free his adventure is the only way i can see to do it,or you could just go on welfare whereby everything is free.
 
Old 04-30-2017, 06:05 AM
 
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Everything is free on welfare? I hadn't heard that...
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