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Old 05-05-2017, 03:09 PM
 
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Why don't either governments or private sector create jobs (even if that job creation is artificial) that can be had once out of high school like a lot of jobs were in the 50's? I'm 25, it's a very miserable time to be growing up, especially since even I haven't established myself in the adult world yet. I would love to go to a time machine and travel to the 50's, even if only for the opportunity to live a better quality of life. I'm struggling to make myself and find even a very low-level job. I kind of have a disability, and it makes it a little harder. Robots and automation will probably destroy it before I get to "make" myself and I'll be too late.
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Old 05-05-2017, 03:55 PM
 
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Why don't they create jobs like they had in the 50's?
Because this is the second Decade of the 21st Century and not the 1950s.

To make it like the 1950s, the US would have to carpet-bomb some 96 different emerging- and developing-States back into the Stone Age.

Maybe you should consider relocating to one of those developing- or emerging-States to cash-in on the skills and abilities you do have.
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Old 05-05-2017, 04:47 PM
 
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It shouldn't be forced upon us to only go to college or university after high school to get a decent job.
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Old 05-05-2017, 05:30 PM
 
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Why don't either governments or private sector create jobs (even if that job creation is artificial) that can be had once out of high school like a lot of jobs were in the 50's? I'm 25, it's a very miserable time to be growing up, especially since even I haven't established myself in the adult world yet. I would love to go to a time machine and travel to the 50's, even if only for the opportunity to live a better quality of life. I'm struggling to make myself and find even a very low-level job. I kind of have a disability, and it makes it a little harder. Robots and automation will probably destroy it before I get to "make" myself and I'll be too late.

Well if you are 25 you have no idea what the 50s were really like and often people look back at history with rosy revisionist glasses. It also false to believe others had it easy and it's never been harder for yourself, it's a common mistake though
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Old 05-05-2017, 06:22 PM
 
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It shouldn't be forced upon us to only go to college or university after high school to get a decent job.
You don't have to go to college or university after high school to get a decent job. Heck, think about this for a second, this is the first time in the history of humankind where a teenager in high school can earn 5 or 6 or even 7 figures a year (probably more than their parents, whom they live with) making YouTube videos of themselves doing beauty tips or playing video plays or doing pranks or tricks on their scooter/skateboard, or etc.

Imagine when you were in high school making $100,000 or $500,000 or $1,000,000 a year for making videos you put onto a website and being a social media celebrity. Most of the social media personalities have only a high school diploma, if that, no need for college or university!
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Old 05-05-2017, 06:30 PM
 
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You don't have to go to college or university after high school to get a decent job. Heck, think about this for a second, this is the first time in the history of humankind where a teenager in high school can earn 5 or 6 or even 7 figures a year (probably more than their parents, whom they live with) making YouTube videos of themselves doing beauty tips or playing video plays or doing pranks or tricks on their scooter/skateboard, or etc.

Imagine when you were in high school making $100,000 or $500,000 or $1,000,000 a year for making videos you put onto a website and being a social media celebrity. Most of the social media personalities have only a high school diploma, if that, no need for college or university!
Or more realistically go to trade school at start your career at 60-80k+ As a welder
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Old 05-05-2017, 06:39 PM
 
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It shouldn't be forced upon us to only go to college or university after high school to get a decent job.
If you want a "decent" job, you have to have something that justifies a better paycheck -- either specific skills (many of which are taught as part of the curriculum leading to a specific degree (college accounting as preparation for a CPA exam, for example), or an attitude compatible with "corporate" life and behavior,

And "jobs" are not "created" -- they emerge in response to changes in customer tastes and demand.

Many of us find out (and usually, far too late) that a outside of the STEM disciplines, a degree usually has little or no intrinsic value. As the North American near-monopoly on heavy industry began to erode in the wake of World War II, personal service, usually with a heavy emphasis on a submissive "customer is always right" attitude, became increasingly important. And the breakdown of the racial and sexual barriers of an earlier day invited a huge new crop of players to the game -- many of them far more willing to "bend with the winds of change" than those who came of age in a time when labor was scarce.

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Old 05-05-2017, 07:21 PM
 
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If you want a "decent" job, you have to have something that justifies a better paycheck -- either specific skills (many of which are taught as part of the curriculum leading to a specific degree (college accounting as preparation for a CPA exam, for example), or an attitude compatible with "corporate" life and behavior,

And "jobs" are not "created" -- they emerge in response to changes in customer tastes and demand.

Many of us find out (and usually, far too late) that a outside of the STEM disciplines, a degree usually has little or no intrinsic value. As the North American near-monopoly on heavy industry began to erode in the wake of World War II, personal service, usually with a heavy emphasis on a submissive "customer is always right" attitude, became increasingly important. And the breakdown of the racial and sexual barriers of an earlier day invited a huge new crop of players to the game -- many of them far more willing to "bend with the winds of change" than those who came of age in a time when labor was scarce.
This is entirely ignoring trade skills, maybe because you wouldn't want to do it as it the case with many people but it doesn't change the possibilities
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Old 05-05-2017, 07:28 PM
 
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Why don't either governments or private sector create jobs (even if that job creation is artificial) that can be had once out of high school like a lot of jobs were in the 50's? I'm 25, it's a very miserable time to be growing up, especially since even I haven't established myself in the adult world yet. I would love to go to a time machine and travel to the 50's, even if only for the opportunity to live a better quality of life. I'm struggling to make myself and find even a very low-level job. I kind of have a disability, and it makes it a little harder. Robots and automation will probably destroy it before I get to "make" myself and I'll be too late.
High and overpriced housing costs just exacerbate the slow to no growth, diminish spending and birth rates, and harm the young like yourself. Sadly housing is taking a greater and greater percentage of people's incomes. We need to have a rational monetary policy that doesn't create bubbles and creates organic economic growth and real jobs. High oil prices aren't good for the US economy as well even though people tell us it is good.

Capitalism requires normalized rates and business cycles. If the knuckleheads running the Federal Reserve and government can't figure this out we are all on the long march towards socialism. Low rates create a tautology of problems, impacts credit and inflates assets leading to speculation on hard assets rather than investment in growth and real job creation.

We need Trump to install "Glass Stegall" and to end the insane regulatory environment that does little to protect the populace. That would be the single greatest victory for the American people in decades.

Those like you hoping for a mass economic boom that will help the whole population will not see it until the free market takes over from the managed economy we have embraced with central bank and government manipulation. The prime benefits will be, not inflation, but lower housing costs, jobs growth focused on businesses focused on growth rather than monetization and gambling, increased income from savings that generate interest again, increased innovation and new job categories driven by economic demand and not jobs from government mandates and regulations and government deals perpetuated by insiders.
This will come at the cost of those betting on real estate, banks, government regulators, derivatives gamblers, and corrupt insiders who make money off the government and regulations. This is why they want to keep things as is.
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Old 05-05-2017, 07:30 PM
 
Location: East of Seattle since 1992, 615' Elevation, Zone 8b - originally from SF Bay Area
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My father made a decent living in the 50s, but he was a college graduate. My mother stayed home and had babies, are you suggesting we go back to that? My uncles in the 50s also made good livings, all 3 of them were business owners, 2 with no college. One had an auto alignment shop, one was a home remodeling contractor, the other had a drug store. The latter, of course, had a degree in pharmacy. His wife helped out some at the store, the other two aunts stayed home with kids.
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