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Not all of us fit into your idea of "we". I spent my career working with highly automated processes and constantly introduced and adapted new processes.
It is strange how we promote the idea of "freedom". That includes freedom to pick our own careers, to learn or not, to excel or not, to push ourselves or not. Then when our plans don't work out we think someone else or something else is to blame and we expect to be bailed out.
Society provides free and mandatory education through the 12th grade, but few take advantage. It is not cool to do well in school. So our high school grads are among the most ignorant and unskilled of any country outside of the poorest 3rd world countries. Yup, it is time for people to wake up and adapt. The good jobs of the future require some level of knowledge and skill. Automation has taken over the low skilled factory jobs. People blame foreign competition, but China leads the world in automation and robotics.
stop , your letting facts get in the way of good political stories .
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I would imagine you tax a robot the same way you tax a toaster. There is a sales tax when you buy it and if the robot is generating income, that income is going to some human somewhere. The income that goes to that human gets taxed at that point.
Not to mention the robot would be subject to business property tax each year of it's existence in addition to the sales tax paid when purchased.
This country has been going through changes in employment equal to to automation, robots, etc. taking over jobs.
Example: 50 years ago, it took 1/3rd of all working people to grow and harvest food in this country, in other words doing farm labor.
Today it only takes 1 1/2% of the people to do the same.
Difference: I grew up on a ranch in the 30s and 40s. When we bailed hay, it took a whole crew to handle the baling using up to a dozen people to collect the hay in the field, haul it to the baling machine and to run the machine. Today the farmer will drive a baler to the field, and one man drives it around the field, stopping every so far the machine squats and ejects a big round bail, with 10 times or more the amount of hay as was formerly bailed in each bale. It used to take a crew of men, to haul the hay from the bailing machinery. Today they have a machine which picks up the bale and puts it on the truck. One or two men can clear a whole field of bales in a day, that at one time took a week and several men.
The country replaced those lost farm jobs with new jobs that were a lot easier on the people doing the jobs, and pay a whole lot better.
The experts tell us that in 10 years, there will still be jobs and work for those that want jobs. The thing they also tell us, is that over half the jobs people will be doing, have not even been invented yet.
Example: 50 years ago, it took 1/3rd of all working people to grow and harvest food in this country...
The country replaced those lost farm jobs with new jobs that were a lot easier on the people doing the jobs, and pay a whole lot better.
But no where near the same raw number of them. Right?
At the same time the raw number of people has exploded. Right?
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The experts tell us that in 10 years, there will still be jobs and work for those that want jobs.
The thing they also tell us, is that over half the jobs people will be doing, have not even been invented yet.
Do they describe what the raw number of those "new" or "additional" jobs might be?
Do they even mention the raw number of new or additional people that will be around?
This oversupply of people and especially at the no/low skill end of the spectrum will kill us.
But no where near the same raw number of them. Right?
At the same time the raw number of people has exploded. Right?
Do they describe what the raw number of those "new" or "additional" jobs might be?
Do they even mention the raw number of new or additional people that will be around?
This oversupply of people and especially at the no/low skill end of the spectrum will kill us.
I think we know the answer to those questions. It has taken a while for unemployment to ease up after the Great Recession. In contrast unemployment for college level jobs was also high at the start of the recession but relatively quickly dropped to under 3%. A lot of other jobs requiring skills are also in high demand. In most parts of the country there is a shortage of workers skilled in the trades including plumbers, carpenters, electricians, HVAC techs, etc. In contrast there is a glut of workers with low skills. Automation, robotics, globalization and illegal aliens continue to make those prospects worse and worse.
I think we know the answer to those questions.
....there is a glut of workers with low skills. Automation, robotics, globalization
and illegal aliens continue to make those prospects worse and worse.
Close enough.
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...unemployment for college level jobs was also high at the start of the recession
but relatively quickly dropped.... A lot of other jobs requiring skills are also in high demand.
Most of the in demand jobs are related to providing services to other people. Far too many.
If we have the nerve to really solve the 'glut of workers' problem we'll have a reduced need
for people to provide services as well. Prepare for it.
What about states that don't have such a tax, or the Federal government?
They will have to adjust the weight of their income tax apportionment formulas to more heavily factor sales and property over payroll and shift the rest of the tax structure then. The same as they always have.
How do you differentiate a microwave/refrigerator/car from a robot? They are all machines made to do a task
Exactly. You can't.
Machines have always been used in manufacturing. Use a forklift to unload a truck? Well that's a machine that had reduced the manpower needed. The taxes were paid on it when it was purchased.
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