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It is very expensive. But also very thorough, up to date and complete when necessary. We have much less in the way of waits and inconvenience compared to other countries. ...
The US excels at offering top-notch services (be it in healthcare, or nearly any other endeavor), in timely fashion, at a high price. Where is fails abjectly, is in trying to deliver mediocre-quality services at a low price. If I’m grievously sick, and desire the best treatment, with the latest diagnoses and procedures, the US is the place to be. If I’m fairly healthy, and am interested in semi-professional care such as a nurse-practitioner prescribing antibiotics for a minor eye-infection, but wish to obtain that care for a minimal price, then my options in the US are dearly limited.
The same goes for higher education, legal representation, accounting, and so forth. The US is the place to procure the best of the best. But if I want second-rate or third-rate services, at a low price, I’m generally denied that option in the US.
Hoonose kept saying the US was the best in the world. I was answering this claim. I didn't not say that *all* developed countries had better outcomes than the US. Our life expectancy is however the very worst.
I don't agree that it's the best in the world either, but you said it was ineffective and had poor results.
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Are you sure that 5 year survival rates for people diagnosed with a potentially terminal disease is the best metric for evaluating healthcare? The US doesn't look so bad in those charts you posted, but it isn't at the top either.
Well yeah, results of treatment for common diseases is a perfectly good way to evaluate effectiveness of healthcare. You want to tell the tens of millions of Americans living with cardiovascular disease and cancer survivors that five year survival rate for their healthcare treatment isn't a good measure? US isn't at the top of those charts (I never said they were) but they are usually near the top and often in the top five, regardless it doesn't support your constant chants that healthcare in the US has poor results or is ineffective.
Average lifespan isn't as good a barometer because it is influenced by cultural/lifestyle differences. USA has a lot more car accidents and homicides,which are the leading cause of death for people before middle age. People driving their own cars a lot more at high speeds isn't a characteristic of healthcare quality, it's a cultural issue.
In fact there was a study that compared lifespan among developed countries vs. if you removed accidents to just show disease, and sure enough look who ended up on top:
The problem with the US healthcare system isn't the quality of treatment available, it is cost.
Globalism is what happend to the American economy,
Globalism is also what built the Communist Red Chinese and N.Korean Military.
Also illegal immigrants , HB1 workers etc
I had an economics professor 50 years ago who predicted it would happen.
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I remember an economics teacher 50 years ago telling us how the British empire expanded itself out of existence,Russia will militarize itself out of existence, and America he said would spend itself out of existence.
Hoonose kept saying the US was the best in the world. I was answering this claim. I didn't not say that *all* developed countries had better outcomes than the US. Our life expectancy is however the very worst.
Are you sure that 5 year survival rates for people diagnosed with a potentially terminal disease is the best metric for evaluating healthcare? The US doesn't look so bad in those charts you posted, but it isn't at the top either.
The USA is certainly not the best with everything related to HC, or even HC delivery. But in general for when the real sht hits the fan, seriously acute, very complex and advanced medical/surgical conditions we generally offer the best potentials for the patients, and in the most places.
The 5 year survival for the above with very serious/advanced disease would be a good metric.
I remember an economics teacher 50 years ago telling us how the British empire expanded itself out of existence,Russia will militarize itself out of existence, and America he said would spend itself out of existence.
Looking at China's rise today, can you tell me how the USA spends itself away?
In fact there was a study that compared lifespan among developed countries vs. if you removed accidents to just show disease, and sure enough look who ended up on top.
From 1980 to 1999. That was a long time ago. Any more recent data? The auto fatality rate has dropped a lot in the US, and is now only slightly above the European average. And even with fatalities included we've slipped in the rankings in more recent years.
With no end in sight. How are Republicans, and Democrats different, again?
Deficit spending stimulates the economy, so both parties like to do it when they can. Democrats tax and spend, while Republicans *cut* taxes and spend (leading to even higher deficits). Republicans are loud deficit hawks when a democrat is president, and completely forget about it when their guy is in office. I first noticed this when Carter was president, and it's happened every time since.
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