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Old 07-16-2018, 02:12 AM
 
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Excellent post op.
Everything is artificially inflated.
Yes, everything is artificially inflated and markets have been FIXED in the UP position. Corporate BUYBACKS are driving the markets higher. They have temporarly safe-guarded the system but what will be the long-term result of all this "corporate cheating"?

The problem is that our government enables this type of cheating on Wall Street. They are all in bed together. The government passes laws to help Wall Street take money from investors - and then Wall Street rewards the governors who, when finally replaced in Washington by voters, go to Wall Street for $1million/year jobs.

This is State Capitalism, government and business soaking the public together. When the Big Government enables Big Business (as partners in crime) to enslave the public, and rob them at will, this is a cataclysm.
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Old 07-16-2018, 03:25 AM
 
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Lol nope I'm just a tidepool microcosm, a simple kind mirror reflection of the economy countering the OP's charge.
same here , did great from 2000 on . while the naysayers preach their doom it has rained money very nicely for many small investors . complaining about the dealer never works , learning to play the hand you are dealt is a much more beneficial plan .

i never waste my time in these forums getting bent out of shape on the ills of the country . i spend my time learning how to deal with and profit from the opportunity created by those ills ..
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Old 07-16-2018, 04:27 AM
 
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Yes, everything is artificially inflated and markets have been FIXED in the UP position. Corporate BUYBACKS are driving the markets higher. They have temporarly safe-guarded the system but what will be the long-term result of all this "corporate cheating"?

The problem is that our government enables this type of cheating on Wall Street. They are all in bed together. The government passes laws to help Wall Street take money from investors - and then Wall Street rewards the governors who, when finally replaced in Washington by voters, go to Wall Street for $1million/year jobs.

This is State Capitalism, government and business soaking the public together. When the Big Government enables Big Business (as partners in crime) to enslave the public, and rob them at will, this is a cataclysm.
there are workers in low end jobs who used to have very good paying union jobs and wish their companies they worked for bought back their stock .

not buying back enough of your own stock leaves you vulnerable to take over by foreign companies who then control the fate of american companies . like mircea said in another thread , those zenith employees wish LG was never able to get control of 58% of their companies stock
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Old 07-17-2018, 02:35 AM
 
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Advise is something you do advice would be something you give just FYI since we are talking about high school
Actually, people should've mastered those before they get out of 7th grade, at the latest.
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Old 07-17-2018, 12:58 PM
 
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I agree with the OP, govt and banks artificially prop up our financial system, and make everyone believe things are great, the future looks great, etc.

'Too big to fail' is really true, they would never permit the US economy to crash, people would stop going to work, stop paying bills, society would become a lawless land, similar to the walking dead (without the zombies).

I have a feeling if any of us saw the 'real' numbers and how things really are, we would take all our money out of the bank and horde it.
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Old 07-17-2018, 01:05 PM
 
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I agree with the OP, govt and banks artificially prop up our financial system, and make everyone believe things are great, the future looks great, etc.

'Too big to fail' is really true, they would never permit the US economy to crash, people would stop going to work, stop paying bills, society would become a lawless land, similar to the walking dead (without the zombies).

I have a feeling if any of us saw the 'real' numbers and how things really are, we would take all our money out of the bank and horde it.
Governments and banks are a large part of any country's economy. Governments are there is part to assist with national support and growth. Governments also generally create the money and/or set the rules for banking and money creation. It may seem arbitrary or artificial. I was taught long ago to learn about it for investment purposes. And not to keep much money sitting in banks or any one bank account.
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Old 07-17-2018, 03:16 PM
 
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Corporate BUYBACKS are driving the markets higher.
Corporate buy backs are nothing new.

Kroger's always maintained 1/3 of its assets in cold hard cash, a practice it started in the 1910s and continues to this day.

When KKR attempted to buy Kroger stock and gain controlling interest, Kroger simply used its cash to buy back its own stocks, driving up the price and making it impossible for KKR to gain control.

Toys-R-Us never maintained large quantities of cash, so when KKR and Bain Capital started buying up Toys-R-Us stock, there was nothing Toys-R-Us could do.

There is no longer a Toys-R-Us.

Zenith couldn't buy back its stock, either.

South Korean LG Corporation bought up Zenith stock and had 58% controlling interest.

There is no more Zenith, and the former Zenith union employees who are now working at Wal-Mart and McDonald's sorely wish Zenith could have bought back its own stock.


So, would you prefer foreign corporations and corporate raiders like KKR and Bain Capital buy up stocks and shut companies down, resulting in thousands of employed workers?
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Old 07-17-2018, 04:53 PM
 
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Simple principle: if "everything" is artificially inflated, then nothing is artificially inflated.
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Old 07-18-2018, 06:16 PM
 
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I have a feeling if any of us saw the 'real' numbers and how things really are, we would take all our money out of the bank and horde it.
What exactly do you mean by real numbers? Like what you estimate things should be if there was no central banking authority setting monetary policy? Real as in what the stock market would be if companies didn't take advantage of lots of cash to buy back stock? Real like what the economy should be like if we didn't have a generational low unemployment rate?

Curious what "real" means to you.
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Old 07-18-2018, 09:04 PM
 
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I have a feeling if any of us saw the 'real' numbers and how things really are, we would take all our money out of the bank and horde it.
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Curious what "real" means to you.
He means, of course, the Golden Horde (Золотая Орда).
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