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Old 08-16-2018, 08:43 PM
 
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China isn't taking as much of our garbage anymore, where is it all going to go?


More to the point those who make their living from or in large part from recycling are starting to feel the pain.




Collapse of recyclables market is sowing chaos | Crain's New York Business
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Old 08-17-2018, 11:15 AM
 
Location: East of Seattle since 1992, 615' Elevation, Zone 8b - originally from SF Bay Area
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I'm in commercial real estate and we are budgeting for major increases in recycling costs for 2019. Those companies that recycle will have the same costs to collect, but will get much less revenue for it, and will have to raise rates or go out of business.
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Old 08-17-2018, 03:49 PM
 
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China isn't taking as much of our garbage anymore, where is it all going to go?


More to the point those who make their living from or in large part from recycling are starting to feel the pain.




Collapse of recyclables market is sowing chaos | Crain's New York Business
China won't be making as much of our garbage anymore, so there'll be a lot less to take.
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Old 08-17-2018, 04:12 PM
 
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I'm in commercial real estate and we are budgeting for major increases in recycling costs for 2019. Those companies that recycle will have the same costs to collect, but will get much less revenue for it, and will have to raise rates or go out of business.
Zero sympathy. Welcome to my world. It is cheaper for a Chinese seller to ship something to my family or my neighbor than it is for me, through USPS's international e-packet system. That's right. Chinese sellers can ship whatever it is cheaper than I can, because USPS subsidizes them, and then turns around and sticks it to us in the form of rate hikes. I and others have been dealing with this FOR YEARS. I've tried to get the attention of my senators and my rep on this matter for quite some time. Crickets. I've recently written the administration TWICE. Crickets. This tells me the so-called trade "war" is bogus.

Oh, and guess who gets to pay the USPS pensions? You and me.
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Old 08-21-2018, 10:12 AM
 
Location: East of Seattle since 1992, 615' Elevation, Zone 8b - originally from SF Bay Area
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Zero sympathy. Welcome to my world. It is cheaper for a Chinese seller to ship something to my family or my neighbor than it is for me, through USPS's international e-packet system. That's right. Chinese sellers can ship whatever it is cheaper than I can, because USPS subsidizes them, and then turns around and sticks it to us in the form of rate hikes. I and others have been dealing with this FOR YEARS. I've tried to get the attention of my senators and my rep on this matter for quite some time. Crickets. I've recently written the administration TWICE. Crickets. This tells me the so-called trade "war" is bogus.

Oh, and guess who gets to pay the USPS pensions? You and me.
I wondered about that, when I can order U.S. company electronics (such as Motorola) from a Chinese vendor, 1/10 the price of what it costs here, free shipping and it comes with Chinese Postage on it. Takes a bit longer, but ridiculous savings.
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Old 08-21-2018, 11:18 AM
 
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I wondered about that, when I can order U.S. company electronics (such as Motorola) from a Chinese vendor, 1/10 the price of what it costs here, free shipping and it comes with Chinese Postage on it. Takes a bit longer, but ridiculous savings.
You got it. I apologize for the "zero sympathy" comment. I was sort of thinking about that old saying "First they came for ________, and I said nothing because I was not _____________".

The one thing you need to be careful of is if you have to return the item for any reason. From what I understand, the shipping to you may be free or low cost, while shipping it back can be expensive. I was going to purchase a piece of jewelry online where the listing indicated the seller was in New York. Come to find out (fortunately before I made the purchase) that if I wanted to return the item, I would have to ship it to India at a high fee.

If you're interested, there's a great movie online called "The China Hustle", I think you can watch it for free. Very informative.
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