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Did I though? Or is it just that I have decided that I would rather face the consequences than allow a vulture to rob me of my time for peanuts. If all you have to offer is peanuts because you are agast that I would assert my rights in a, supposedly, free society (albeit in a purposely offensive manner because I think that wolf and vulture behavior is morally aborant) then why would I care about you or your peanuts.
If you want yes men that pander, what does that say about you?
Yes, I think that as a professional engineer there should be far more abundant opportunity and the lack of opportunity is a sign that our economic system is failing. We will all pay for it (with socialism or communism), but it will be at the behest of people like you.
Despite what you might think I am not a socialist or a communist, but I think its going to take full blown socialism taking full root for capitalists to get the picture that you dont get cooperation from the labor force by trying to choke everyone out. And they are still not getting it, they think that mass lay offs, peanut wages for skilled work, cleaver market manipulations are all a ok, because ... well its not illegal.
If you cant afford to pay a good wage for people with decent skills maybe your business model sucks.
I don't really like ariel wolf hunting (socialism) but if that's what it takes to thin out the pack so that the rest of the ecosystem can recover so be it.
Yes, I think that as a professional engineer there should be far more abundant opportunity and the lack of opportunity is a sign that our economic system is failing.
There is ample opportunity and the unemployment rate for professional engineers is quite low. I'm not exactly sure what the UE rate is for professional engineers who brag about not working hard, have a persecution complex, and have more excuses than common sense but I suspect it might be a bit higher.
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I don't really like ariel wolf hunting (socialism) but if that's what it takes to thin out the pack so that the rest of the ecosystem can recover so be it.
If you can't succeed... pray someone else levels the playing field for you.
Did I though? Or is it just that I have decided that I would rather face the consequences than allow a vulture to rob me of my time for peanuts. If all you have to offer is peanuts because you are agast that I would assert my rights in a, supposedly, free society (albeit in a purposely offensive manner because I think that wolf and vulture behavior is morally aborant) then why would I care about you or your peanuts.
If you want yes men that pander, what does that say about you?
Yes, I think that as a professional engineer there should be far more abundant opportunity and the lack of opportunity is a sign that our economic system is failing. We will all pay for it (with socialism or communism), but it will be at the behest of people like you.
Despite what you might think I am not a socialist or a communist, but I think its going to take full blown socialism taking full root for capitalists to get the picture that you dont get cooperation from the labor force by trying to choke everyone out. And they are still not getting it, they think that mass lay offs, peanut wages for skilled work, cleaver market manipulations are all a ok, because ... well its not illegal.
If you cant afford to pay a good wage for people with decent skills maybe your business model sucks.
I don't really like ariel wolf hunting (socialism) but if that's what it takes to thin out the pack so that the rest of the ecosystem can recover so be it.
You are not following the conversation. You first stated a wage that you would be working for (which I responded to), then you stated you would not work for me. Thus, you changed the scenario. Understand?
To your latest point, I can afford to pay a good wage. However, I will not overpay someone that does not have the required skills and/or cannot adequately perform the job. Just because someone is an engineer, it does not entitle that person to a certain wage. Instead, it is the level and quality of the work product that determines what I would pay someone. Or stated another way, I don’t pay a mechanic because of his certification and/or for the time spent on my car. I pay the mechanic to properly fix and maintain my car.
You keep taking about what you think an employer owes you, but the employer determines what value you provide as to what is needed by the employer.
Wait, so you're asking for credentials here? The guy who doesn't invest, has never run or managed a company, has basic done nothing and experienced nothing yet lectures everyone else who has? Hilarious.
Well since we're just meta-posting, here is the entire thread so you can reread where you were repeatedly clobbered by folks who knew a lot more than you, lied about what others said, ignored things that you couldn't deal with, and kept painted yourself into logic corners to where you had no choice but to continuously modify what you're previous claimed:
1. lol lieqiang, this has gone off the rails. I said much more than that, as CM made a blanket statement that didn't seem to have anything to do with the truth.
2. I was pointing out the post that wasn't being responded to in a complete fashion. I know everything that has happened in this thread, and I have be an honest broker of information.
Now why don't you respond to the post as no one else will?
You are not following the conversation. You first stated a wage that you would be working for (which I responded to), then you stated you would not work for me. Thus, you changed the scenario. Understand?
To your latest point, I can afford to pay a good wage. However, I will not overpay someone that does not have the required skills and/or cannot adequately perform the job. Just because someone is an engineer, it does not entitle that person to a certain wage. Instead, it is the level and quality of the work product that determines what I would pay someone. Or stated another way, I don’t pay a mechanic because of his certification and/or for the time spent on my car. I pay the mechanic to properly fix and maintain my car.
You keep taking about what you think an employer owes you, but the employer determines what value you provide as to what is needed by the employer.
Only you seem to base your decisions on political affiliation. Have you ever met a good mechanic, they are far more crass than I am. Also there shop rates are around 80-100 hr, I am guessing you go to Juan the illegal or marginally legal. The artificial suppression of wages are causing a lot of people to exit certain markets, once the political pressure starts removing discount illegals the price will sky rocket as the market will go from saturated to almost no one in certain sectors.
In a healthy market engineers mechanics etc should be punching their own tickets as the fields are naturally difficult. The fact that high barrier to entry professions wages are able to be suppressed means the market is sick. That does not mean I have to put up with it, if employers won’t pay people will exit the market.
There is ample opportunity and the unemployment rate for professional engineers is quite low. I'm not exactly sure what the UE rate is for professional engineers who brag about not working hard, have a persecution complex, and have more excuses than common sense but I suspect it might be a bit higher.
If you can't succeed... pray someone else levels the playing field for you.
Well I don’t have nuclear weapons to leverage ... so
What’s left is political. In fact those who are successful now are so because they played the politics right.
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Well I don’t have nuclear weapons to leverage ... so
What’s left is political. In fact those who are successful now are so because they played the politics right.
I can’t help but wonder if your attitude is keeping you unemployed. I wouldn’t hire anyone who thinks employers are vultures. Nor would I hire someone who overestimates their value. The market determines what it will pay for a skill set.
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Only you seem to base your decisions on political affiliation. Have you ever met a good mechanic, they are far more crass than I am. Also there shop rates are around 80-100 hr, I am guessing you go to Juan the illegal or marginally legal. The artificial suppression of wages are causing a lot of people to exit certain markets, once the political pressure starts removing discount illegals the price will sky rocket as the market will go from saturated to almost no one in certain sectors.
In a healthy market engineers mechanics etc should be punching their own tickets as the fields are naturally difficult. The fact that high barrier to entry professions wages are able to be suppressed means the market is sick. That does not mean I have to put up with it, if employers won’t pay people will exit the market.
The mechanic is not paid 80 to 100. A lot of that goes into overhead. As an self proclaimed intelligent person you should know better.
Saying good mechanics are crass is a generalization that reeks of some kind of superiority complex you have.
I know an auto shop owner who wants to sell his shop and get an hourly job because it pays more than being the owner.
What do you know about farming? Grazing, crops, what?
Anyways, do they (not you I presume) produce to meet their own needs, or for the sake of diversifying the market?
If the answer is number 2, that shows you just how distorted the market has become with the introduction of large food producers, chemical companies, and land owners.
Oh, but perhaps you like to make stuff up so you can use the eyeroll emoji. I expected no less from you CM.
LOL. Not worth the time to make up crap. Farming/agriculture has a long history here. Every farmer’s main goal is to pay the bills and make a good life for themselves and their family and ensure the continuing success of their farm. My dinner steak last weekend was purchased from my own family’s business. Their farm. Their cows. Their crops. And they absolutely are growing that business. Their kids have already taken on some of the work, and they even have paid employees ( oh the horror!). Now carry on with your own lunacy.
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