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Old 05-30-2019, 10:52 AM
 
Location: Aurora Denveralis
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Always the cheerful one! First in line with the horrific as always.
I simply mirrored the first comment, which is just as absurd and Fear! Mongering! Don't shoot the messenger.


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But assuming that is actually an intention... what do you suppose is the best way for the poor to avoid it?
I see it as a set of inevitable circumstances, with no easy fix and certainly not one from prior, completely different economic/political eras. Vague whoop-it-up about job creation or bringing jobs back or promising everyone who wants to work a life-supporting job is the daily patter of pols on both sides, and I suspect the ones out of high school (if not diapers) know it's cynical, votemongering BS.

There is no doubt in my mind that we are well into the curve of not enough "good" (stable, available, life-supporting) jobs for everyone who wants or needs one. In a few decades, the curve will be standard fare in "Oh But Of Course" econ texts - it's just hard to see and easy to dismiss at this point. Assuming no global reset switch is pushed - the one labeled Global War, for example - there is simply no chance of the job market coming back, and very high chances of its decline accelerating.

So we end up with... effectively 30, 40, 50% unemployment in some fairly near term.

Do we let them starve?

Do we put them all on "welfare" to keep them afloat until roses bloom again - which may be never?

Or do we recast our economic system on a basis of something other than individual productivity, as it's been since Og and Grunnt had their first economic talk show, and in every major school of thought in play today... capitalist, socialist and communist?
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Old 05-30-2019, 05:13 PM
 
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I simply mirrored the first comment, which is just as absurd and Fear! Mongering! Don't shoot the messenger.



I see it as a set of inevitable circumstances, with no easy fix and certainly not one from prior, completely different economic/political eras. Vague whoop-it-up about job creation or bringing jobs back or promising everyone who wants to work a life-supporting job is the daily patter of pols on both sides, and I suspect the ones out of high school (if not diapers) know it's cynical, votemongering BS.

There is no doubt in my mind that we are well into the curve of not enough "good" (stable, available, life-supporting) jobs for everyone who wants or needs one. In a few decades, the curve will be standard fare in "Oh But Of Course" econ texts - it's just hard to see and easy to dismiss at this point. Assuming no global reset switch is pushed - the one labeled Global War, for example - there is simply no chance of the job market coming back, and very high chances of its decline accelerating.

So we end up with... effectively 30, 40, 50% unemployment in some fairly near term.

Do we let them starve?

Do we put them all on "welfare" to keep them afloat until roses bloom again - which may be never?

Or do we recast our economic system on a basis of something other than individual productivity, as it's been since Og and Grunnt had their first economic talk show, and in every major school of thought in play today... capitalist, socialist and communist?
If we create camps and let people starve then we better increase military spending to like 75% of our GDP because we will become the enemy of the world, we will be akin to Nazi Germany. The UN has already produced a report stating that we have the start of a humanitarian crisis that we are willfully not dealing with.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/22/us/am...ort/index.html

Getting asylum may become easier if you have some STEM education and speak the language in places like Norway and Switzerland.
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Old 05-31-2019, 11:29 AM
 
Location: Fort Payne Alabama
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If we create camps and let people starve then we better increase military spending to like 75% of our GDP because we will become the enemy of the world, we will be akin to Nazi Germany. The UN has already produced a report stating that we have the start of a humanitarian crisis that we are willfully not dealing with.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/22/us/am...ort/index.html

Getting asylum may become easier if you have some STEM education and speak the language in places like Norway and Switzerland.
How ridiculous! Your post should be tagged for being Political!
We are projected to spend 3.1% of our GDP on defense in 2019, long way from 75%.
I live in Alabama, I don't have Hook Worms, no one I know has Hook Worms, but that totally unbiased reporting by CNN claims 19 out of 55 of us has them per the UN! WOW if coming from the UN and CNN all this must be true!
Just as a question, what do you think the UN knows about Alabama? I have not seen any Blue helmets around, doubt if they ever have set foot in our state!
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Old 05-31-2019, 11:42 AM
 
Location: Aurora Denveralis
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How ridiculous! Your post should be tagged for being Political!
It should be ignored as being completely irrelevant to the conversation.
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Old 05-31-2019, 11:53 AM
 
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I can't believe this thread has made it 20+ pages. These "robots" will free up associates to do jobs that are driving growth in their business. I don't know where you are, but when I shop at Walmart's now a good amount of the "shopping" is done by Walmart associates as part of the grocery order pickup and grocery delivery service they offer in many cities/towns. So all the fear mongering about robots replacing people changing prices and cashier scanning people...they need even more people to do the shopping for people that don't want to do that any longer. It's not replacing them, but freeing them up to do something more valuable.
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Old 05-31-2019, 11:55 AM
 
Location: Aurora Denveralis
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I can't believe this thread has made it 20+ pages. These "robots" will free up associates to do jobs that are driving growth in their business.
Clearly you've read very few of those 20 pages.

You're really happy to use your grocery store rewards card, too, aren't you?
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Old 05-31-2019, 12:31 PM
 
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Clearly you've read very few of those 20 pages.

You're really happy to use your grocery store rewards card, too, aren't you?
Store rewards card?
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Old 05-31-2019, 01:40 PM
 
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How ridiculous! Your post should be tagged for being Political!
We are projected to spend 3.1% of our GDP on defense in 2019, long way from 75%.
I live in Alabama, I don't have Hook Worms, no one I know has Hook Worms, but that totally unbiased reporting by CNN claims 19 out of 55 of us has them per the UN! WOW if coming from the UN and CNN all this must be true!
Just as a question, what do you think the UN knows about Alabama? I have not seen any Blue helmets around, doubt if they ever have set foot in our state!
You completely missed the point. The hook worm is not the point, the poverty is.
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Old 05-31-2019, 05:41 PM
 
Location: Fort Payne Alabama
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You completely missed the point. The hook worm is not the point, the poverty is.
And you are very familiar with Alabama? And you are from.....?
The Hook Worms are the point, it pretty much lays out the total lack of facts in the article, a real talent of CNN.
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Old 05-31-2019, 05:48 PM
 
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And you are very familiar with Alabama? And you are from.....?
The Hook Worms are the point, it pretty much lays out the total lack of facts in the article, a real talent of CNN.
Ok, what ever man. 60% of working people make 20 or less and homelessness is getting totally out of hand in ALOT of places. Sorry, its not about hook worm. I dont need to go to Alabama to read DOL statistics on wages.
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