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Old 06-01-2019, 08:27 AM
 
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The MD physician shortage is due to the AMA creating artificial barriers to entry.
That is a big piece of it. It was part of a Grand Bargain struck by our elected representatives over a hundred years ago. They got rid of the snake oil salesmen of the in the late 1800s in return for granting the AMA the ability to restrict the number of medical schools. Over the last 40 years we have seen an increase in the number of medical schools, but then as others of have noted, there are not enough spots in teaching hospitals for the number of newly minted med school graduates.
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Old 06-01-2019, 09:21 AM
 
Location: The Triad (NC)
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It was part of a Grand Bargain struck by our elected representatives over a hundred years ago.
They got rid of the snake oil salesmen of the in the late 1800s in return for...
Not quite.

The 1873 Comstock laws (Wiki Link here) were about repressing S-E-X ...
And as that relates to 'medicine' the midwives and others who had been managing
the medical needs of most people quite well tyvm for millenia. They just dressed up their general mysogyny
and opposition to emancipation in particular with the illusion it was somehow medically justified.
(^^read the link and think hard about what the Fascists hope to achieve with the new sex laws)

The snake oil salesman remedies came with Teddy R and the Food and Drug acts.
The medical college 'organization wasn't until the late 1920's
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Old 06-01-2019, 10:52 AM
 
Location: Aurora Denveralis
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I'm not aware of any shortage of doctors in the US.

There is a distribution issue, since they all want to be in metro areas to make the biggest bucks.
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Old 06-05-2019, 10:26 AM
 
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You assume the left won't take over at some point and offer massive welfare programs for these newly permanently unemployable people
It’s not the left, we are going to have to provide something as there will simply not be enough jobs for everyone in the coming decades. AI will take jobs from everyone from truck and ups drivers to lawyers, stockbrokers, surgical assistants and radiologists. It is going to be on a massive scale. Even very conservative think tanks are talking about a Universal Basic Income.

https://basicincome.org/news/2017/07...-basic-income/

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cnb...your-wage.html

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Old 06-05-2019, 05:06 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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The MD physician shortage is due to the AMA creating artificial barriers to entry. Is 8 + years in school at the current tuition rates PLUS huge residencies REALLY necessary.
Yes.

Repeat after me: All Surgeons are Doctors, but not all Doctors are Surgeons, nor could they ever be.

Get it?

It's not Quantum String Theory.

Being a doctor is not like being a cashier at McDonald's. Cashiers are a dime a dozen.

Only a very tiny percentage of any given population has the requisite skills and abilities to be a doctor.

Of that very tiny percentage that do have the requisite skills and abilities, not all want to be doctors, nor should they be compelled against their will.

So, you're talking a very small percentage of the population, and then a smaller percentage of that.

It takes more than 2 hours to train a doctor. The sheer volume of information necessary to perform duties as a doctor is overwhelming and it takes years to learn everything. It takes even more years to practice, under supervision, to ensure techniques and procedures are done correctly.

You can't seem to wrap your brain around that.

Of the teeny tiny percentage that are doctors, not all have the requisite skills and abilities to be surgeons.

Being a surgeon takes even more time, because there's even more things to learn.

Both doctors and surgeons must be taught.

Teaching is a skill separate and apart from being a doctor or a surgeon.

So, out of the teeny-tiny part of the population that has the requisite skills and abilities to be a doctor or a surgeon, an even tinier percentage also have the requisite teaching skills and -- this is the key -- want to teach.

Doctors cannot teach surgeons. Only other surgeons can teach surgeons.

Of the tiny fraction of doctors who also have the teaching skills, not all want to teach, just like of the tiny fraction of surgeons who have teaching skills want to teach.

I know this might come as a complete surprise to you, but 100 doctors cannot fit into a patient's room.

40 doctors cannot fit into a patient's room, either.

For that, and any number of other practical reasons, doctors and surgeons only teach 6-8 doctors and surgeons at a time.

If we were to follow your idiotic advice and increase the number of slots, then all you do is create a teaching shortage.

The only possible way to have a chance at combating teaching shortages is to increase the salaries of the doctors and surgeons who also have the requisite teaching skills to make it attractive for them to stop practicing and start teaching.

Congratulations are in order. You just increased the cost of medical care and in turn increased the cost of health insurance.

You should be very proud of yourself.
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Old 06-05-2019, 05:12 PM
 
Location: Aurora Denveralis
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You should be very proud of yourself.
You, too. There's simply no one else on C-D that can explain things at meticulous length out of old textbooks they have at hand, get every detail right, and be completely, totally irrelevant every time.
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