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Old 04-12-2019, 01:38 PM
 
Location: New York City
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Ironically, the socialist taxes on labor and business, to provide 'benefits' for workers, penalizes hiring workers.
Isn't it true that when you tax something, its cost goes UP?
And if all taxes on labor and business were removed, would that make it cheaper to hire labor?
In NYC it costs a fortune to hire employees. Not only do you have the typical SS/Medicare taxes to pay, but you also have to pay for things like workers compensation insurance which can be up to 50% OF THEIR SALARY. And there is so much red tape involved, if you miss one filing or regulation there are huge fines and they come after you aggressively. I have no idea how small shops are going to survive here over the long run
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Old 04-12-2019, 01:48 PM
 
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I was a bookkeeper since 1974. Back then it was hand written everything, totalling, posting, calculating payroll. A huge room of bookkeepers and a typing pool. We had adding machines but noting better. When i retired i could do more work than 20 with better results. No typos, no typing pool, everything always balanced. I happened to be highly skilled and paid very well, but a couple dozen people weren't needed.
Even housewives were replaced by machines. Nobody beats carpets or washes clothes on rocks down at the river. Pumping water or getting it from rivers and carrying it in to heat on the stove isn't done. Food and clothing is store bought. Ice houses, smoke houses, canning, tending livestock, butchering, tending plow houses and gardens are now hobbies not chores. I don't want to go back 300 years to the good old days.
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Old 04-12-2019, 01:50 PM
 
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I walk out when self checkout is not available.
Same. I dont need a cashier to tell me "have a nice day" and not really mean it. I'm already having a great day by being able to get in and out as fast I can.
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Old 04-12-2019, 01:55 PM
 
Location: Aurora Denveralis
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Ironically, the socialist taxes on labor and business, to provide 'benefits' for workers, penalizes hiring workers.
Isn't it true that when you tax something, its cost goes UP?
And if all taxes on labor and business were removed, would that make it cheaper to hire labor?
I can't even follow this down the nonsensical path you're suggesting.

So it would be a good thing for business taxes to be slashed and worker benefits to be reduced to a daily pay packet of whatever cents-per-hour an employer chooses to pay? Again?
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Old 04-12-2019, 03:48 PM
 
Location: Connecticut
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And you can treat the robots like dogs like many of these low wage places do with their clueless owners and managers. However, if they maintain these robots like they did their human employees, soon they will have the same results (breakdowns and errors).
Who are they going to blame then?????

Isaac Asimov ?
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Old 04-12-2019, 06:12 PM
 
Location: Las Vegas, NV
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One reason that I like using self checkout is that I often have only a few items. In a regular line, I often have to deal with the person with an overflowing basket who rushes to cut in front of me, or the guy whose trip through the checkout line must be his total social life, as he feels the need to chat up the cashier when there are 7-8 people in line behind him.
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Old 04-12-2019, 06:16 PM
 
Location: Aurora Denveralis
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One reason that I like using self checkout is that I often have only a few items. In a regular line, I often have to deal with the person with an overflowing basket who rushes to cut in front of me, or the guy whose trip through the checkout line must be his total social life, as he feels the need to chat up the cashier when there are 7-8 people in line behind him.
If there's one reason I hate self-checkout (other than much more significant ones about job loss, customer loading, profit etc.) it's that... you can... only go... so fast... and if you... make any mistake... it takes extra... steps... to clear the... problem... while the terminal... yells at you.

You can only use the system if you are a slow, perfectly trained robot yourself, and gah'fabid if you set something down in the wrong place. (Even the checker/supervisor/floor persons frequently screw up when "doing it for you" as a come-on.)

Hate it. It's a not-ready-for-prime-time concept that's being shoved down our throats, and has no benefit for consumers whatsoever. And it's promoted mostly by the kind of stores who surveil the crap out of you, because they know you're a shoplifter.
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Old 04-12-2019, 06:23 PM
 
Location: New York City
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If there's one reason I hate self-checkout (other than much more significant ones about job loss, customer loading, profit etc.) it's that... you can... only go... so fast... and if you... make any mistake... it takes extra... steps... to clear the... problem... while the terminal... yells at you.

You can only use the system if you are a slow, perfectly trained robot yourself, and gah'fabid if you set something down in the wrong place. (Even the checker/supervisor/floor persons frequently screw up when "doing it for you" as a come-on.)

Hate it. It's a not-ready-for-prime-time concept that's being shoved down our throats, and has no benefit for consumers whatsoever. And it's promoted mostly by the kind of stores who surveil the crap out of you, because they know you're a shoplifter.
Well to be fair, I bet computers don't come naturally to you either. But the machines will eventually work seamlessly with all members of society
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Old 04-12-2019, 06:37 PM
 
Location: Aurora Denveralis
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Well to be fair, I bet computers don't come naturally to you either. But the machines will eventually work seamlessly with all members of society


Yeah, 40 years of system and electronics design, prototyping, programming and training means a moronic scanning station just confuses the hell out of me.

It's because SCO scanners are designed for the slowest, stupidest, most tech-timid user, which means that there is absolutely no way to do it faster or more efficiently.
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Old 04-12-2019, 06:46 PM
 
Location: New York City
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Yeah, 40 years of system and electronics design, prototyping, programming and training means a moronic scanning station just confuses the hell out of me.

It's because SCO scanners are designed for the slowest, stupidest, most tech-timid user, which means that there is absolutely no way to do it faster or more efficiently.
Things will go faster once rfid becomes more pervasive, but there is a maximum speed limit for conveyor belts because of loss prevention considerations. The machines all have scales which match the weight against the number in the database for that product to make sure someone isn't scanning a tissue box barcode and putting filet mignon on the belt instead. The scale can only measure so fast and it's one item at a time
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