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Exactly.
Furthermore the students who fork out outrageous amount to attend treat the schools as resorts where customers always right. Thus all kinds of demands to accommodate each one of their snowflaking needs. Learning? Who needs it when you just need to be woke to deserve everything and that progressive utopia is just around the corner where everyone is taken care of.
Honestly it seems as if college is producing generations of socialists...
Yeah, it's funny how education and intelligence lead to people who have some regard for their society and fellow humans. We gotta find a way to fix that. Maybe we could go ask the trogs over the hill how we can make their culture of greed, selfishness and xenophobia work for us.
I could build a university for a couple million bucks by subdividing an old warehouse into classrooms, buy a few whiteboards, desks, & chairs. Lay some internet cable, hire 25 professors and a couple of admin staff, done. Students live at home and brown-bag it for lunch. This is not rocket science.
Then you'd be building another vocational training center, or maybe a Hondros College or a University of Phoenix.
It takes centuries to build a serious university... even a "state school". America's finest public universities are NOT land-grant. Some were already well-established decades before the Morrill Land Grant Act of 1862 (example: University of Virginia, University of Michigan,...). The U of Michigan recently celebrated its 200th anniversary. You can't build that overnight... even with new cable in an old warehouse.
The trouble with higher education is the same trouble as with nearly everything else: (1) too much administrative bloat, and (2) too much chasing after the common denominator.
Then you'd be building another vocational training center, or maybe a Hondros College or a University of Phoenix.
It takes centuries to build a serious university... even a "state school". America's finest public universities are NOT land-grant. Some were already well-established decades before the Morrill Land Grant Act of 1862 (example: University of Virginia, University of Michigan,...). The U of Michigan recently celebrated its 200th anniversary. You can't build that overnight... even with new cable in an old warehouse.
The trouble with higher education is the same trouble as with nearly everything else: (1) too much administrative bloat, and (2) too much chasing after the common denominator.
The first one that owes its existence to the land grants was Iowa State University.
University of California-Berkeley is probably the best of them & the purest example of what the Morrill Land Grant act was capable of. Most of them are "average state universities," many of which were normal schools, then junior or teacher's colleges. After WWII was when most of them went through the process of becoming 4-year universities with all the attendant features.
Actually it sounds like he'd build a community college or one of those very small, private liberal arts colleges, many of which were orignally church campuses or something. Once accreditation kicked in, it would forced him to either run his institute as a legitimate college in order for his credits to be worth anything, or acquiesce to being some kind of for-profit outfit whose credits don't transfer.
Care to elaborate? I am dying to find out how your higher education benefited me.
Especially considering the fact it didn't benefit even you since you are unable to put together two coherent sentences to defend your view.
At least I didn't have to pay for that waste of resources.
Care to elaborate? I am dying to find out how your higher education benefited me.
Especially considering the fact it didn't benefit even you since you are unable to put together two coherent sentences to defend your view.
At least I didn't have to pay for that waste of resources.
Then you'd be building another vocational training center, or maybe a Hondros College or a University of Phoenix.
It takes centuries to build a serious university... even a "state school". America's finest public universities are NOT land-grant. Some were already well-established decades before the Morrill Land Grant Act of 1862 (example: University of Virginia, University of Michigan,...). The U of Michigan recently celebrated its 200th anniversary. You can't build that overnight... even with new cable in an old warehouse.
The trouble with higher education is the same trouble as with nearly everything else: (1) too much administrative bloat, and (2) too much chasing after the common denominator.
Nah I'd make it a full four year college. True, you have to get accreditation in this country. Okay, obviously, it's not totally that simple; I was using a bit of hyperbole to make a point.
My point is... the academics are basic. A prof lecturing to a room full of students. That's what it *should* be.
A few years ago, I read an estimate that if you stripped our high schools down to the bare minimum, no buildings, no administrations, nothing but 20 chairs in a public park... you could pay each teacher $250,000. For that kind of money, he argued, you could hire Aristotle and Socrates.
A friend of mine teaches at UMD, and before that at UConn for 35 years. He says the administration people -- the deans, assistant deans, vice presidents etc. -- earn higher salaries than the professors, and there are more of them as well. This is insanity!
Anyway we're drifting off the topic of socialism... or are we? Creating lots of overpaid jobs for bureaucrats, that's what socialism is all about, isn't it?
Then you'd be building another vocational training center, or maybe a Hondros College or a University of Phoenix.
It takes centuries to build a serious university... even a "state school". America's finest public universities are NOT land-grant. Some were already well-established decades before the Morrill Land Grant Act of 1862 (example: University of Virginia, University of Michigan,...). The U of Michigan recently celebrated its 200th anniversary. You can't build that overnight... even with new cable in an old warehouse.
The trouble with higher education is the same trouble as with nearly everything else: (1) too much administrative bloat, and (2) too much chasing after the common denominator.
I'm going to go ahead and disagree.
These are all land grant universities and all happen to the AAU members.
In no order......Cornell, Texas A&M, Illinois, Wisconsin, UC Davis, Purdue, Minnesota, Penn. State, Ohio State and I probably missed some.
A special case is The University of Texas. UT owns and or controls 2.1+ million acres of land but it is technically not a land grant university.
That is a suite of fantastic schools.
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So far as the 200 year old thing. For one The University of Texas is a lot less than 200yo. It also sports ~65 or 70 individual programs ranked in the top 10 per area. Employs 7 Nobel Prize winners, dozens of National Academy of Science Members, a number of Hughes Investigators, runs what is likely the world's preeminent cancer research hospital/complex etc. I'm fairly certain The University of Michigan - great as it is - can't compete with much or any of that. Not to mention that UT has a ~$31,000,000,000 endowment.
But others read your posts. Why not let them know why exactly you are right? Not everyone lives in your progressive bubble where just declaring yourself progressive makes you right and everyone with different point of view wrong. There are people out there who still would like to hear some reasoning.
So please, for those inquiring minds out there would you elaborate how exactly will they benefit if they pay for someone else spending 4 years getting zero marketable skills and/or knowledge.
These are all land grant universities and all happen to the AAU members.
In no order......Cornell, Texas A&M, Illinois, Wisconsin, UC Davis, Purdue, Minnesota, Penn. State, Ohio State and I probably missed some.
A special case is The University of Texas. UT owns and or controls 2.1+ million acres of land but it is technically not a land grant university.
That is a suite of fantastic schools. ...
It is. But the genesis of UT Austin precedes the Morrill Land Grant Act, and even precedes the statehood of Texas.
The quintessential Land Grant schools are Texas A&M and Virginia Tech. They were founded from the very outset as "agricultural and mechanical" schools, with heavy emphasis on military training. Even today, such schools de-emphasize medicine or law, while keeping large departments in the agrarian arts. In many states, there's a "University of...", which is either not Land-Grant or has essentially repudiated its land-grant origins; and a "State University", which is academically secondary to the "University of...". An example is the University of Michigan and Michigan State.
But regardless, we're quibbling over minutiae of pedigree and prestige. The real distinction is between the venerable, selective universities - and the ones founded comparatively recently, with mission to "serve the community" rather than to aspire to push the end of knowledge via funded-research.
Returning to our topic, my enduring critique of the American economy and of American society is from the Right, not from the Left. America is too new, too flippant in its cowboy swagger. Fortunes are too easy to make, and too easy to lose. "Hustle", rather than scholarship or devotion to craft, is what's most rewarded.
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