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Old 06-03-2019, 07:59 PM
 
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I just bought the thing below from Walmart for $20. It is an 18" artisan glass birdbath, with a solar light in the center bird landing zone. Cheap labor cost alone would not make it; it would require industry supply chains in steel industry, glass industry, electronics ... all at efficient costs.

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Old 06-03-2019, 08:08 PM
 
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Well said ... technology is the key. There are signs that American technologies are falling behind. The rogue act of kidnaping Huawei founder's daughter clearly speaks the fact of America is falling behind.

With trade war deepens, China would have no concern to damage America technology advancement. One thing China will do next is to ban all rare earth exports to the US. Next, China will set up a rare earth commodity trade exchange with settlement in Chinese currency of RMB Yuan. Rare earth price would be sky high to the US and the West, much like Arab OPEC oil embargo to the West in the 1970s. That also made mideast countries super rich (on per capita GDP basis) without having to do much but not giving out any oil.

Check how critical rare earth is with this sample:

Defense Uses of Rare Earth Elements

Lanthanum night-vision goggles
Neodymium laser range-finders, guidance systems, communications
Europium fluorescents and phosphors in lamps and monitors
Erbium amplifiers in fiber-optic data transmission
Samarium permanent magnets that are stable at high temperatures
Samarium precision-guided weapons
Samarium "white noise" production in stealth technology
A few things.

Rare earths are not so rare, and the rare earth industry is not very large. Nothing on the order of magnitude of say oil. The USA and the world has already been moving towards other rare earth sources.

https://bigthink.com/technology-inno...pan-rare-earth

Huawei created secret backdoors on its equipment for spying.

https://www.google.com/search?source...i3.LI0fEr_ECSs
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Old 06-03-2019, 08:13 PM
 
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America has some of the finest rare earths all owned by the federal gov't, godspeed Mr. Trump in freeing those valuable resources to make America regain her rightful place as the top economic power of the world.
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Old 06-03-2019, 08:35 PM
 
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Rare earth indeed is not that rare, but refinement mining technologies developed in the past decades are monopolized by China. Even Australian mined rare earth to America has to be reimported from China for refinement.

China has about 40% of world future reserve. Brazil and Vietnam had the remaining significant reserves. None of western countries have much in reserve.
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Old 06-03-2019, 09:21 PM
 
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Rare earth indeed is not that rare, but refinement mining technologies developed in the past decades are monopolized by China. Even Australian mined rare earth to America has to be reimported from China for refinement.

China has about 40% of world future reserve. Brazil and Vietnam had the remaining significant reserves. None of western countries have much in reserve.
Processing is the dirty part that no one wants. Except China, so far. If the future need arises, and it may not for all sorts of technical reasons, rare earths are not rare.

https://www.google.com/search?q=rare...QDEszrsWmScOM:
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Old 06-03-2019, 09:57 PM
 
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Why do we rely on China

Chinese are very 'strategic' players.
USA, is not at all 'strategic' for long term.

We (USA corp) follow the profits...remember... USA consumers have benefited for last 40 yrs. You can't buy the same 'chinese' products in China that get sent to USA) quality is less, cost is more in China (if available at all).

1) China is capable (of copying, and now they have mastered that + holding onto it...since 1980's, Giving China 'Machine Tools" was when we (USA) lost the war, poof, now we all (entire world) are DEPENDENT on Chinese supply chain for the very machines that build the world. No Chinese products? no working machine tools to build industry and products! (this is reality)
2) China has 'capacity' - count the people! (They are educated and strategically employed to meet 'country' defined financial and production objectives)
3) China has resources to sustain manf. (USA 'outsourced' our natural and technical resources 30 yrs ago (foolishly))
4) China has the stamina to endure and overcome. (USA did too in 1941...)
5) USA manf have diversified their supply chain, but China is BIG and has lots of perks / benefits to Manufacturers willing to sell their soul. (that's US (A))

Vietnam, Indonesia, Philippines are currently getting transfer from China, but they are really small potatoes and have their own set of problems. India will probably never be a Manf hub, but has 'other' roles.

We have lived the dream (low inflation, low costs, no wars fought on USA mainland soil )
$1/ hour wages in 1960 could buy a $1000 Color TV.
$15/ hr wages in 2019 can buy a much higher tech TV for $150. (if you must have a TV... hope not)

1984 'Laser Quality' ink jet printer (B&W) released for $995... @ $3.35 wages
2019 full color printers available for under $40 @ $15/ hr

Prepare for change.
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Old 06-04-2019, 12:37 AM
 
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A few things.

Rare earths are not so rare, and the rare earth industry is not very large. Nothing on the order of magnitude of say oil. The USA and the world has already been moving towards other rare earth sources.

https://bigthink.com/technology-inno...pan-rare-earth

Huawei created secret backdoors on its equipment for spying.

https://www.google.com/search?source...i3.LI0fEr_ECSs

Refining the materials is the problem and we have back doors and attacks {stuxnet} and spy on everyone as well. Including our own citizens, allies and everyone else.

BFD
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Old 06-04-2019, 08:51 AM
 
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Refining the materials is the problem and we have back doors and attacks {stuxnet} and spy on everyone as well. Including our own citizens, allies and everyone else.

BFD
Of course we have and do. But we have to do our level best to keep foreign agents out of our own sphere. As I recall Stuxnet was a joint effort with the Israelis.

As far as refining, if it stays dirty then we do this elsewhere with Allies. And then most likely new technologies will allow cleaner methods. Many years ago I was to be the local rare earth specialist in my chem dept. But my fearless leader had a better offer in Australia, and I was in no position to move my life then.

In fact China is already saying that they have a new and cleaner process. I have no idea if that is true of course. We might have to steal that technology from them! lol
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