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Old 08-02-2019, 02:29 PM
 
Location: Frisco, Texas
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The defense/aerospace industry went into a steep decline from the late 80's through the 90's. Rockwell was a major employer for defense aircraft.
Surely aerospace was not the only determining factor into the states decline. After all, CA still has an economy what would amount to the worlds 5th largest if it was an independent nation; yet they are literally broke.
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Old 08-02-2019, 02:33 PM
 
Location: Frisco, Texas
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Another thing that affected the socioeconomic dynamic of SoCal (and the rest of the US): Busing. This is one of the reasons Simi Valley exploded. People who lived and worked in the San Fernando Valley moved over the hill to Simi rather than have their kids get bused out of their neighborhoods.
Great point! The last of my family moved to Simi Valley 25 years ago from the Valley. Great town but they tell me it's beginning to change as well, and not for the better.
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Old 08-02-2019, 02:33 PM
 
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Surely aerospace was not the only determining factor into the states decline. After all, CA still has an economy what would amount to the worlds 5th largest if it was an independent nation; yet they are literally broke.
True. As aerospace moved out of California in the 1970s, the integrated circuit, software and computing industries took off. Teradyne in Agoura Hills is an example. It started out as a little industrial building in Chatsworth, then moved to a bigger facility in Woodland Hills and now a huge campus in Agoura Hills.
Same with medical devices. Irvine and Aliso Viejo continue to boom with medical devices and the bay area has all those software and internet companies probably rooted from Hewlett Packard.
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Old 08-02-2019, 02:56 PM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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It all started in 1965 with the passage of the Hart Celler Act.



California and the US import millions of low skilled, uneducated, non assimilating, agrarian, over birthing, resource consuming third world peasants. This situation is getting worse and is very unlikely to ever end. Europe is having very similar problems.
I 100 percent agree with this. Farmers and their buyers (corporations) wanted the cheap labor, but that also weighed down on the economy and quality of life.

But there were more consumer goods available because of it.
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Old 08-02-2019, 03:33 PM
 
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I've spoken with several people from the bay area and housing was still 2x what it was in the SE US during the 1980's.

A man informed me his 4 BD / 3 BA ranch in San Jose was $130k in the early 80's. Very similar to what my grandparents bought in NC in the same year at $70k.

Even that long ago, housing was never "accessible". And now, people are commuting from Tracy and Turlock to work in Menlo Park.
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Old 08-02-2019, 03:49 PM
 
Location: Frisco, Texas
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I've spoken with several people from the bay area and housing was still 2x what it was in the SE US during the 1980's.

A man informed me his 4 BD / 3 BA ranch in San Jose was $130k in the early 80's. Very similar to what my grandparents bought in NC in the same year at $70k.

Even that long ago, housing was never "accessible". And now, people are commuting from Tracy and Turlock to work in Menlo Park.
I think the over all desirability of the state had a lot to do with that. The bay area along with LA just had that appeal, the near perfect weather (at least near the coast), the diverse economy and lure that had become the California dream. It was paradise for many and people will pay more for a piece of paradise, at least back then.
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Old 08-02-2019, 04:00 PM
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Location: California
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With the exception of El Segundo and Fullerton: Hughes/Raython moved to Tucson
Lockheed Burbank gone
Autonetics Boeing Anaheim gone
Boeing Irvine gone
Teledyne gone
Boeing Huntington Beach sold half the facility and tore down Building 17
Boeing Seal Beach also sold half the facility
Rocketdyne sold its Canoga campus, everything at De Soto now.

The early 1970s were brutal (so were the early 1990s). Engineers were driving taxis and selling Amway.
Who told you Teledyne is gone?

Raytheon is still here. So is Boeing, Lockheed and Northrop (not to mention newbies like SpaceX).

You're trying to make it appear that the aerospace industry is pretty much gone and that's VERY far from the truth. There were a lot of mergers but the 90s are over sir.
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Old 08-02-2019, 04:04 PM
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Location: California
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Surely aerospace was not the only determining factor into the states decline. After all, CA still has an economy what would amount to the worlds 5th largest if it was an independent nation; yet they are literally broke.
If CA was broke, how on earth is Caltrans repaving my main arterial road right now? How will my kids school open in 3 weeks (with 20 kids per class). How is the state paying off bonds early by running a 20 billion dollar annual surplus?

Got any other bright insights to share?
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Old 08-02-2019, 04:05 PM
 
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Who told you Teledyne is gone?

Raytheon is still here. So is Boeing, Lockheed and Northrop (not to mention newbies like SpaceX).

You're trying to make it appear that the aerospace industry is pretty much gone and that's VERY far from the truth. There were a lot of mergers but the 90s are over sir.
Teledyne Northridge
Hughes Canoga Park (Raytheon)

Today there are about a third as many aerospace employees as there were in 1990.
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Old 08-02-2019, 06:53 PM
 
Location: San Diego, CA
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It all started in 1965 with the passage of the Hart Celler Act.



California and the US import millions of low skilled, uneducated, non assimilating, agrarian, over birthing, resource consuming third world peasants. This situation is getting worse and is very unlikely to ever end. Europe is having very similar problems.
Thats kind of an ugly over generalization.
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