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Old 12-24-2019, 07:19 AM
 
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It is amazing. The OP rants about the costs of starting a business, high costs for land, for a building, for taxes, insurance, etc. Strangely there is no rant about the high prices he could get for his products.
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Old 12-24-2019, 10:38 AM
 
Location: Yakima yes, an apartment!
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can cities and munis set zoning laws such that mcjob creators are extremely limited and their businesses licenses denyed?

Is it possible for people to start fighting mcjob creators at a local level or do states have the power to over ride a cities zoning laws if some mega corp does not like a city zoning law?

I mean cities restrict how many establishments can get a liquor license why not restrict how many employers can operate that have anyone on pay roll making less than $20/hr. Maybe require a specail mcjob permit and severly restrict the numbers and give preference to the local ice cream shop or family owned burger joint ...

Thus it would become nearly an impossible nightmare for a wal mart of mcdonalds to ever open. Or if a city is already burdened with a bunch of mcjob creators just strip their business license and force them to sell of the real estate and leave.

Or would states just trample all over cities that did this?
I just came across this posting. Dude, you have to be smoking some fine bud.... I get it, you hate employers who pay between $13-$19 an hour. Cool, don't work for them, don't patronize them. But please, don't get in my way. OK?
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Old 12-24-2019, 01:50 PM
 
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I just came across this posting. Dude, you have to be smoking some fine bud.... I get it, you hate employers who pay between $13-$19 an hour. Cool, don't work for them, don't patronize them. But please, don't get in my way. OK?
But these sorts of employers create social problems that everyone else then has to deal with and see.

That’s why most communities limit liquor stores weed stores porn shops. McJobs have similar social consequences. This isent refering to real employers who might have a few day one apprentices but that’s different than a whole staff of mc workers.
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Old 12-24-2019, 01:56 PM
 
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But these sorts of employers create social problems that everyone else then has to deal with and see.

That’s why most communities limit liquor stores weed stores porn shops. McJobs have similar social consequences. This isent refering to real employers who might have a few day one apprentices but that’s different than a whole staff of mc workers.
The employer is not forcing you to take the job and the employer is not obligated to give you what you want, just because you want it. You have no right to tell someone else how to spend their money.
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Old 12-24-2019, 02:45 PM
 
Location: Berwick, Penna.
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The OP simply (maybe deliberately) refuses to recognize that the basic nature of the process by which goods, services and opinions are exchanged will create roles which are less satisfying. The open-market solution to this is to allow those segments of the population who aren't as well prepared (newcomers, students, the semi-retired, and those displaced by the workings of the path to all human progress) to regroup, retrain and re-orient their goals.

The fantasy world in the OP's well-composted imagination is simply too good to be true.

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Old 12-24-2019, 03:12 PM
 
Location: Indianapolis, East Side
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But these sorts of employers create social problems that everyone else then has to deal with and see.
What social problems, and what evidence do you have? If you come back with "BLS Statistics" and "Nobody's paying me for research" again, we can't take this seriously.
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Old 12-24-2019, 08:14 PM
 
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The employer is not forcing you to take the job and the employer is not obligated to give you what you want, just because you want it. You have no right to tell someone else how to spend their money.
No but as a city council we can decide what we want to see, zoning etc. I am looking for strategies to get rid of these sorts of employers while minimizing any constitutional issues.
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Old 12-24-2019, 08:23 PM
 
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What social problems, and what evidence do you have? If you come back with "BLS Statistics" and "Nobody's paying me for research" again, we can't take this seriously.
It’s based on my intimate experience in my community.

Why do you think data engineers make big money, it’s a lot of work.

The problem is that no matter what the data says slummy business owners don’t really care so long as they are not shut down or forced to change no matter how compelling the data/evidence is, so why do it when they are going to fight tooth and nail to protect their exploitive enterprises no matter what?

Once the political will is there to shut them down as soon as the data shows it.
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Old 12-24-2019, 09:05 PM
 
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No but as a city council we can decide what we want to see, zoning etc. I am looking for strategies to get rid of these sorts of employers while minimizing any constitutional issues.
Who do you think will replace those "scummy" employers? Do you think the replacements will pay their employees better?

How do you think the property owners who lease to the "scummy" employers will react when you run off their tenants?

Have you considered the impact on trades people when the "scummy" businesses go away, ie, how much less work will there be for electricians, plumbers, HVAC techs, etc?

Where will the employees of the "scummy" employers go to get a new job? Do you really think anyone will pay them a lot more than they make now?

You are probably going to have far more constitutional issues than you think. It is nearly impossible to write regulations that favor "non-scummy" businesses over "scummy" businesses.

How large a budget do you plan for paying attorneys to defend your town against the myriad lawsuits that will be filed?

Last edited by WRM20; 12-24-2019 at 09:06 PM.. Reason: Had another thought to add.
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Old 12-24-2019, 10:33 PM
 
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Who do you think will replace those "scummy" employers? Do you think the replacements will pay their employees better?

How do you think the property owners who lease to the "scummy" employers will react when you run off their tenants?

Have you considered the impact on trades people when the "scummy" businesses go away, ie, how much less work will there be for electricians, plumbers, HVAC techs, etc?

Where will the employees of the "scummy" employers go to get a new job? Do you really think anyone will pay them a lot more than they make now?

You are probably going to have far more constitutional issues than you think. It is nearly impossible to write regulations that favor "non-scummy" businesses over "scummy" businesses.

How large a budget do you plan for paying attorneys to defend your town against the myriad lawsuits that will be filed?
Well you don’t see a Walmart in aspen Colorado so ...

There are ways to do it. When an abundance of scum is present it’s not going to be without pain to get rid of them but once good employers realize it’s a nice place for their family and nice infrastructure etc they will come.

The state will have to be on board to disallow meritless law suits. If the state is at odds with the city then your dead in the water. You just have to make sure you don’t run afoul of constitutional issues.

A lot of the real estate holders are rent seeking scum themselves, who have dilapidated looking buildings.
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