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Old 12-14-2019, 05:16 AM
 
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can cities and munis set zoning laws such that mcjob creators are extremely limited and their businesses licenses denyed?

Is it possible for people to start fighting mcjob creators at a local level or do states have the power to over ride a cities zoning laws if some mega corp does not like a city zoning law?

I mean cities restrict how many establishments can get a liquor license why not restrict how many employers can operate that have anyone on pay roll making less than $20/hr. Maybe require a specail mcjob permit and severly restrict the numbers and give preference to the local ice cream shop or family owned burger joint ...

Thus it would become nearly an impossible nightmare for a wal mart of mcdonalds to ever open. Or if a city is already burdened with a bunch of mcjob creators just strip their business license and force them to sell of the real estate and leave.

Or would states just trample all over cities that did this?
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Old 12-14-2019, 05:29 AM
 
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I've asked this in the past multiple times....but never get an answer.

Please list the "Mom & Pop" stores that start their newest employees at 20/hr plus fully paid benefits??



Also - communities with those type of zoning restrictions against franchise stores/restaurants has been around for decades and decades. I've lived near them in different states (i.e. Kennebunkport, ME) - tend to be wealthy communities. And no, the local shops do not pay any better than the "mcjobs" do. Sorry.

Also, those type of zoning laws screw with the tax base and is why the teachers/police/firefighters that work in the "purified" communities can't ever hope to live there!

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Old 12-14-2019, 05:49 AM
 
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can cities and munis set zoning laws such that mcjob creators are extremely limited and their businesses licenses denyed?

Is it possible for people to start fighting mcjob creators at a local level or do states have the power to over ride a cities zoning laws if some mega corp does not like a city zoning law?

I mean cities restrict how many establishments can get a liquor license why not restrict how many employers can operate that have anyone on pay roll making less than $20/hr. Maybe require a specail mcjob permit and severly restrict the numbers and give preference to the local ice cream shop or family owned burger joint ...

Thus it would become nearly an impossible nightmare for a wal mart of mcdonalds to ever open. Or if a city is already burdened with a bunch of mcjob creators just strip their business license and force them to sell of the real estate and leave.

Or would states just trample all over cities that did this?
Which cities have an entire employee base with skill sets beyond the level of a McJob?
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Old 12-14-2019, 06:54 AM
 
Location: Guadalajara, MX
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Please list the "Mom & Pop" stores that start their newest employees at 20/hr plus fully paid benefits??
God yes.

It's incredible how many people make this vapid reference to the glories of employment at Mom&Pop stores. I worked in a couple as a teenager and they paid min wage, with even less benefits than the chain drug/hardware stores.

Mom&Pop isn't necessarily better by virtue of being called that.
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Old 12-14-2019, 06:55 AM
 
Location: Guadalajara, MX
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Thus it would become nearly an impossible nightmare for a wal mart of mcdonalds to ever open.
That would suck. I like Walmart and McDonalds, and given their sales numbers I'm not alone.
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Old 12-14-2019, 07:03 AM
 
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Most municipalities have attracted a bunch of crooks and scumbags to the zoning boards. Often these are local businessmen who want to restrict competition by not allowing competitors to open stores. When I moved to Long Island, the local stores had managed to fend off any of the major chains. The grocery stores were the worst I had seen anywhere including when I lived in the rural South. They were dirty with worn out flooring, rusty carts, limited stock and high prices.

When I moved I tried to fix up my house. I had difficulty getting supplies at the local hardware stores. Again they were crowded, under stocked and prices were high.

Finally, years later, the flood gates opened. It started with a major grocery store. The local stores had to quickly clean up their acts or go out of business. Soon Home Depot and Lowe's and KMart also opened stores. That cleared out a bunch of the worst of the local stores.

Whenever I hear comments about supporting your local businesses, I cringe. Why? There are plenty of local stores that offer great quality goods and services. Those that are ripping off the customer should go under. Fast food is a good example. We have McDs and Burger King and Pizza Hut, but way more local brands. There are Pizza places on every corner. The competition is fierce and the local Pizza Hut went out of business. Delis are about the same. We have a deli/sandwich shop on every corner. The last one that closed and went out of business was a Subway.

If you don't like the large chains, do use them. Personally I like the minimum standards that every McD's sets. It is expensive, salty food. That leaves plenty of opportunity for a local store to compete.
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Old 12-14-2019, 07:11 AM
 
Location: Nescopeck, Penna. (birthplace)
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can cities and munis set zoning laws such that mcjob creators are extremely limited and their businesses licenses denied?

Is it possible for people to start fighting mcjob creators at a local level or do states have the power to over ride a cities zoning laws if some mega corp does not like a city zoning law?

I mean cities restrict how many establishments can get a liquor license why not restrict how many employers can operate that have anyone on pay roll making less than $20/hr. Maybe require a specail mcjob permit and severly restrict the numbers and give preference to the local ice cream shop or family owned burger joint ...

Thus it would become nearly an impossible nightmare for a wal mart of mcdonalds to ever open. Or if a city is already burdened with a bunch of mcjob creators just strip their business license and force them to sell of the real estate and leave.
Thank you, Mr (errrr - Comrade - sorry ) Stalin!

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Old 12-14-2019, 07:33 AM
 
Location: Indianapolis, East Side
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Is it possible for people to start fighting mcjob creators at a local level or do states have the power to over ride a cities zoning laws if some mega corp does not like a city zoning law?

I mean cities restrict how many establishments can get a liquor license why not restrict how many employers can operate that have anyone on pay roll making less than $20/hr. Maybe require a specail mcjob permit and severly restrict the numbers and give preference to the local ice cream shop or family owned burger joint ...

Thus it would become nearly an impossible nightmare for a wal mart of mcdonalds to ever open. Or if a city is already burdened with a bunch of mcjob creators just strip their business license and force them to sell of the real estate and leave.

Or would states just trample all over cities that did this?
As Thomas Sowell puts it, the minimum wage is $0. That's what a lot of minimum-skill people are going to be earning when you take away their jobs.

The local ice cream parlor and the family owned burger joint are highly unlikely to offer any benefits or a chance for promotion or transfer.

How would this $20 an hour minimum wage affect the cost of day care or elder care if people had to be paid that to change diapers or mop floors? They're already incredibly expensive.

Who is going to buy all this real estate hitting the market at once--especially when the businesses have been forced to close?

I'm not a mega corporation, nor do I work for one. I'm just concerned about people being able to get jobs and services.
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Old 12-14-2019, 03:04 PM
 
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I'm not a mega corporation, nor do I work for one. I'm just concerned about people being able to get jobs and services.

Are you concerned how those wages are going to pay for living expenses in that community. Cause you dont pay living wage, you are forcing the rest of us to subsidize your workers through welfare. People dont just live on the air in Cincinnati.


Frankly jobs that dont pay enough to actually live in the community where they exist without welfare subsidies, arent worth having.
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Old 12-14-2019, 03:51 PM
 
Location: Indianapolis, East Side
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Are you concerned how those wages are going to pay for living expenses in that community. Cause you dont pay living wage, you are forcing the rest of us to subsidize your workers through welfare. People dont just live on the air in Cincinnati.


Frankly jobs that dont pay enough to actually live in the community where they exist without welfare subsidies, arent worth having.
Again, the minimum wage is $0. When people are earning nothing, which is the situation some people will end up in, 100% of their expenses will be paid by welfare. Assuming they have no friends or family to support them.

Are you not concerned about how people are going to get on the first rung of the economic ladder? Nobody is born with job skills worth $20 an hour. If you disagree, please feel free to pay that to your babysitter and tip your waitress, barista and pizza delivery person accordingly.
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