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Old 02-16-2020, 11:21 AM
 
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It makes sense things are slowing down. In aggregate, income data simply does not justify prices going much higher. It went up so fast so much for about 5 years 2013-2018, and people are just not making enough money for it to go higher. The exceptions would be markets where inequality is high, or markets that attract equity refugees and there's a high volume of wealthy people who can drop cash.

Speaking as a buyer and seller, buyers have to prove their income to lenders three ways from Sunday to get approved for a mortgage. Banks aren't giving out easy money to unqualified buyers for houses like they were in the mid '00s.

So it makes sense that banks are trying to hustle to sell refinance loans. There are probably a lot of people out there like myself who bought in the mid 10s, and seen ther property apppreciate 30-100%, but has now cooled down. Banks would LOVE to sell me money based on that asset. Since they can't sell as much money to unqualified people as they used to, they have to try and sell it to qualified ones.

They have softened the debt to income ratio's, so what
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Old 02-16-2020, 01:57 PM
 
Location: Northern Maine
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Student loans and mandatory medical insurance are crushing financial burdens for Millennials. Today's buyers are plumbers, welders, electricians and truck drivers in their twenties. They have passed millennials and left them in their dust, leaving the millennial asking, "What happened?"

The answer is that when they graduate, they should have a salable skill on Day 1.
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Old 02-16-2020, 02:25 PM
 
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Speaking as a buyer and seller, buyers have to prove their income to lenders three ways from Sunday to get approved for a mortgage. Banks aren't giving out easy money to unqualified buyers for houses like they were in the mid '00s.
how about this below for a first mortgage, not a HELOC & not hard money and this exact verbiage was sent to me this week.

No ratio program for primary residence (no income requirement, no income verification, no employment required, no employment verification)
No CPA letter. No bank statements to support income
o ATR (ability to repay) exempt
o 100% Gift funds allowed for closing costs and down payment


So yeah, these loans are rising up from the ashes again. Don't shake your head. At least the loan program above requires a 30-percent down payment so borrowers won't walk away from it if they can't afford it(hopefully).
BUT the down payment can be all gift
which puts little incentive to remain current if values start dropping. I have seen appraisal values come in low on a couple homes in the San Francisco area.

Stated income (or no income) has been around ONLY for investment properties but now it's slowly moving into primary residences which was protected by Dodd-Frank laws and income proof guidelines. I'm in the mortgage industry. The annual increases in conforming loan limits is another sign prices are moving up too fast.
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Old 02-16-2020, 03:20 PM
 
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how about this below for a first mortgage, not a HELOC & not hard money and this exact verbiage was sent to me this week.

No ratio program for primary residence (no income requirement, no income verification, no employment required, no employment verification)
No CPA letter. No bank statements to support income
o ATR (ability to repay) exempt
o 100% Gift funds allowed for closing costs and down payment


So yeah, these loans are rising up from the ashes again. Don't shake your head. At least the loan program above requires a 30-percent down payment so borrowers won't walk away from it if they can't afford it(hopefully).
BUT the down payment can be all gift
which puts little incentive to remain current if values start dropping. I have seen appraisal values come in low on a couple homes in the San Francisco area.

Stated income (or no income) has been around ONLY for investment properties but now it's slowly moving into primary residences which was protected by Dodd-Frank laws and income proof guidelines. I'm in the mortgage industry. The annual increases in conforming loan limits is another sign prices are moving up too fast.
The sky is falling!!

ROTFL
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Old 02-16-2020, 03:51 PM
 
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The answer is that when they graduate, they should have a salable skill on Day 1.
Yes, of course. No one who pays the University of Northern South Iowa $200k for a degree in a "marketable" field will fail to immediately find a job.

Unless...

...they didn't win the lottery of predicting which fields will be super-hot that fall, four or five years out.

...they don't necessarily want to move to a stratospheric COL city and try to live with four other people on a starting salary.

...they don't necessarily want to move to some suckstandard city because that's where Gapple or someone is hiring that year.

...they look in the mirror at 24 and realize they let parents, counselors and idiots online push them into a career path for which they had no aptitude or interest, which gives them zero pleasure or satisfaction and means a life of chasing code-monkey jobs all over the country.

Yeah; it's entirely their fault.
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Old 02-16-2020, 07:16 PM
 
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I'm starting to hear the "Interest rates are low! Property values are up! Unlock that equity to..." commercials. It's a sure sign of impending trouble.
I don't even know what means. "Unlock equity." ??? Take out a 2nd mortgage?

If you sell your house, you'd have to buy another one...in the same real estate bubble.

It may be by geographic area. Real estate is no longer hot here.
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Old 02-16-2020, 07:37 PM
 
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This time it's different.
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Old 02-17-2020, 08:32 AM
 
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Properties are ridiculously overpriced where I live, even in the bad neighborhoods. Can't wait till this bubble bursts!
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Old 02-17-2020, 09:52 AM
 
Location: Berkeley Neighborhood, Denver, CO USA
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The data show we are not in a bubble.


https://www.calculatedriskblog.com/2...e-debt-as.html
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Old 02-17-2020, 10:47 AM
 
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Lot of contraindicative signs and posts.


The Housing Bubble Blog – Examining the home price boom and its effect on owners, lenders, regulators, realtors and the economy as a whole. (this person has been negative for years. he's the Harry Dent of real estate)

https://www.ccn.com/us-housing-marke...burst-in-2020/
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