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Old 02-25-2020, 07:50 AM
 
Location: broke leftist craphole Illizuela
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So your taxable home value is more than 3x your income
My home value is $260k that is about as low as you can get a decent small SFH for in an ok suburb.
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Old 02-25-2020, 09:24 AM
 
Location: Silicon Valley
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F*** WaPo is annoying with the anti-adblock and anti-private browsing nonsense. I'll just go by the chart, they left off taxes which exceed any other expense I have by a considerable margin.
Not to mention F this chart....which is laughably short of so many things it begs legitimacy from Peter Pan.
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Old 02-25-2020, 09:29 AM
 
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My home value is $260k that is about as low as you can get a decent small SFH for in an ok suburb.

I’m not sure why I thought you made a lot more money than 78k a year but with a masters degree surely you could find something else, somewhere else in the US. You choose to live where you do and thus you choose to accept the tax rate and political climate you are in. You are literally voting with your dollars
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Old 02-25-2020, 09:53 AM
 
Location: Oregon, formerly Texas
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Not to mention F this chart....which is laughably short of so many things it begs legitimacy from Peter Pan.
The point is that the primary costs of being middle class have risen rapidly while the benefits of deflation in various consumer goods, TV being probably the most prominent, does not make up for that.

The study itself anticipated your question:

Any number of objections might be raised to these particular parameters: Why focus on male wages, when most women work, too? Why count a health-insurance premium’s total cost, when employers often cover a substantial share? A detailed discussion of each of these choices is presented in the description of methodology below (III.A. Index Components). But broadly, the choice of parameters flows from the question to be answered. Here, the question is how well the typical male worker can provide for a family.

This report shows that his ability to do so has degraded dramatically. A generation ago, he could be confident in his ability to provide for his family not only the basics of food, clothing, and shelter but also the middle-class essentials of a comfortable house, a car, health care, and education. Now he cannot. Public programs may provide those things for him, a second earner may work as well, his family may do without, although his television may be larger than ever. The implications of each is surely worth pondering. But the fact that he can no longer provide middle-class security to a family is an unavoidable economic reality of the modern era.


https://www.manhattan-institute.org/...merican-family
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Old 02-25-2020, 12:24 PM
 
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One of the key drivers in the price of housing is the emergence, in the late 1960s, of the dual income family, which in turn was in part enabled by the emergence & adoption of The Pill.

Given that dual-income families are the norm in HCOL areas, I find it odd the authors select male wages as the benchmark against which expenses are measured.
Agreed. It should be median family income and it should also then include childcare costs.
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Old 02-25-2020, 03:56 PM
 
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This image pretty much explains it all - why people don't feel secure, despite the economy being "good."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/busin...will-ever-see/

For those of you without a WaPo subscription, here is the deeper link to the actual study, produced by Manhattan Institute.

https://www.manhattan-institute.org/...merican-family
20k a year on health care? I know there are some with high deductible plans but I have a hard time believing that’s the norm.
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Old 02-25-2020, 04:05 PM
 
Location: Oregon, formerly Texas
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20k a year on health care? I know there are some with high deductible plans but I have a hard time believing that’s the norm.
When you combine what I pay with what my employer pick-up is, my health insurance is about 18k.
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Old 02-25-2020, 05:13 PM
 
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When you combine what I pay with what my employer pick-up is, my health insurance is about 18k.
What your employer spends isn’t part of your income though.
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Old 02-25-2020, 06:14 PM
 
Location: Indiana Uplands
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One of the key drivers in the price of housing is the emergence, in the late 1960s, of the dual income family, which in turn was in part enabled by the emergence & adoption of The Pill.

Given that dual-income families are the norm in HCOL areas, I find it odd the authors select male wages as the benchmark against which expenses are measured.
Incorrect, dual-income families are the norm across the majority of the US, not just in HCOL areas. In most lower cost areas, wages were depressed for many years, necessitating two incomes to maintain a basic middle class existence.
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Old 02-25-2020, 07:34 PM
 
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Then move. That's a popular thing people tell each other here.
That’s a GREAT answer!
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