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Old 03-12-2020, 04:40 PM
 
Location: Mr. Roger's Neighborhood
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But in 90s I know people who used to buy SUV and van for $20,000 some even less and now they cost like $50,000 some even more.
Most middle class folks that I knew back in the nineties drove sedans, minivans, or small wagons rather than SUVs. Trucks were generally driven by rural folks or people who were in the trades and were not the suburban status symbols that they seem to have become in recent years.

Anyone who's dropping fifty grand on a vehicle for general transportation purposes is doing so out of choice, rather than lack of other, more affordable options.

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Old 03-12-2020, 05:21 PM
 
Location: Mr. Roger's Neighborhood
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Probably a very small car for $20,000.
Small to medium, but more than adequate for transporting two adults and two children plus a reasonable amount of stuff.
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Old 03-12-2020, 08:02 PM
 
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The economy works with people consuming. So people will be in debt. If they stop buying the economy comes to a halt.
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Old 03-12-2020, 08:04 PM
 
Location: southern california
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As they mature they began to realize they are one and the same
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Old 03-12-2020, 08:10 PM
 
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most people spend what they don't have on things they don't need. there's a money management problem in this country.
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Old 03-12-2020, 08:23 PM
 
Location: Flyover part of Virginia
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most people spend what they don't have on things they don't need. there's a money management problem in this country.
The current system of easy credit and cheap "money" actively encourages this behavior. Prudent savers are punished, reckless spenders are rewarded.
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Old 03-12-2020, 08:26 PM
 
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The current system of easy credit and cheap "money" actively encourages this behavior. Prudent savers are punished, reckless spenders are rewarded.
zero doubt about that. it's quite the bizarre system.
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Old 03-12-2020, 08:30 PM
 
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The median household income worldwide is a bit under $10k. By that standard, just about everyone in the United States is affluent.
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Old 03-12-2020, 08:58 PM
 
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More than 189 million Americans have credit cards.
The average credit card holder has at least four cards.
On average, each household with a credit card carries $8,398 in credit card debt.
Total U.S. consumer debt is at $13.86 trillion. That includes mortgages, auto loans, credit cards and student loans.
The above is one reason I own stock in both Visa and Mastercard.
  • I don't know anyone with a mortgage.
  • I don't know anyone who carries credit card debt (that is, they pay the full balance each month.)
  • I don't know anyone with car payments.

I'm sheltered, I know.
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Old 03-12-2020, 09:08 PM
 
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Healthcare is the number one problem in the U.S that contributes to debt IMHO. We have "so called" good healthcare, yet I just received bills in the mail totaling $2k for various medical bills and it's only March.
There two problems:
  • First, health care is expensive (for no apparent reason), which you point out.
  • Second, only now to you receive bills for $2K. For the most part, you probably had no way to find out exactly how much the medical tests and care would cost you when you consumed them. Had you known at the time that they would ultimately bill you for $2K, you might have decided to forgo those tests.
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