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Old 04-19-2020, 08:59 AM
 
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I remain gobsmack-boggled at how the forces of the right can marshal their base to rise up in wrath and opposition to practices that are to their benefit, but stand in the way of the the financial elite's accumulation of wealth.

I wonder if it will end before they have the lemmings blowing their brains out to fertilize the flower beds... because Freedom! and screw liberals who don't like flowers, y'know.
We knew there had to be worse ramifications of a growing national ignorance than just stupid TV and various "trending" Kardashian alerts. So here we are, divided along the lines of a wave of poorly informed ignorant people VS those who read and understand the macro picture and not the simple howl of, "I wanna go back to work." Freedumb, the new viral threat..
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Old 04-19-2020, 09:02 AM
 
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"Escape small towns" where people take a day or weekend away from urban areas will always rebound as will those with a purpose with a college/university, predominate thriving corporation or an established well-off bedroom community. For the rest, it could be ugly for a long time....if not forever.
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Old 04-19-2020, 11:01 AM
 
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LMAO, Trump charged taxpayers nearly $500,000 for Secret Service stays as high as $650 a night: report

The president has falsely claimed taxpayers save lots of money because the Secret Service stays at his hotels
Yep, thats just how Trump does things, he likes to make people believe he is doing the right thing or doing something good, but usually there is something else going on beneath it. LOL


He is not as stupid as people think he is, he is extremely clever when it comes to these kinds of things, in other words, he is a skilled con man.
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Old 04-19-2020, 11:10 AM
 
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He is not as stupid as people think he is, he is extremely clever when it comes to these kinds of things, in other words, he is a skilled con man.
Rats and squirrels can be very, very 'clever.' I wouldn't call either one 'smart.'

I'm quite, quite sure Mr. Clever's only economic concern is reinflating his own portfolio... at whatever cost, including reigniting the epidemic.
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Old 04-19-2020, 01:25 PM
 
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Small town America was not in good shape before COVID-19 arrived.

The whole Coronavirus crisis from an economic standpoint has wiped out the weak first. Weak companies were already doing layoffs during the February 15 - March 15 time frame.

It wouldn't be surprising if Coronavirus wiped out something already in a precarious position before it arrived.
Many businesses have been hand-to-mouth for so long it is a common business model (the entire arline industry is that way ... the bailout is giving $5.8 billion to United Airlines at a time when the entire company could be bought for less than that, based on stock price). The idea of lookng beyond quarterly earnings is so baked into America's business mentality that even small business owners have to play by those rules to keep up. No time to invest for research ... profits today over stability tomorrow. Our leadership class is dominated by people born on third base who think they hit a triple.
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Old 04-21-2020, 12:55 PM
 
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This is *not* an "unconstitutional takeover", it is a drastic action that is necessary to hold the death toll to tens or hundreds of thousands. If we did not do this, it is quite likely that the death toll would be in the tens of millions. Is that what you would rather see?
Your hysterical guesstimates are off by magnitudes.

The Imperial College models--which IMO is what got this entire psyop/agitprop effort started--were 2.2 million US deaths, 500,000 in the UK. This has magically gone down to 60,000 for the US. https://cleantechnica.com/2020/03/18...-510000-in-uk/

You have bought the psyop and agitprop hook, line, and sinker. The world went hysterical, the "health experts" fed the fury, and not the least of this is people get to be TV Experts for an hour or two every day.

Destroying a nation's or world's economy for something like the flu, or even the Spanish Flu, is not rational behavior. It is a coup d'etat. Will the democracies recover their freedom? Stay tuned.

Some truth will wash out of this over the next year or two. Watch Sweden, which has chosen the rational path of letting the disease run its course--because, no denying this, it WILL run its course, it will happen now or it will happen later--or throttling the deaths now but accepting another big burst later. Which will require FURTHER stealing of freedoms?

If you're expecting a vaccine for this, where is the AIDS vaccine? And the flu vaccine is often 30% effective. Many develop immunity or develop mild cases.

Suppose a covid20 shows up? Do we close the economy again? Unconstitutionally order people to obey commands from above? Put more people out of work and out of business? Why not just install a permanent dictatorship now, get it over with? Because that is what you seem to prefer.

The most disturbing part of this whole election year exercise is that so many people have gladly given up most of their freedoms to slow what is essentially another flu season.

None of this would have happened had Obama or Hillary been in the White House, you can bet the farm (farmers are also being strangled) on that.

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Trump going without a paycheck for being president is a little misleading though...He is still bringing in revenue, due to the fact he is the president, his companies receive HUGE amounts of money from the taxpayers, who pay anytime Trump travels, and his whole entourage racks up the tab at his properties...if fact, he is probably making MORE this way, than the paycheck he would have received as president!
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LMAO, Trump charged taxpayers nearly $500,000 for Secret Service stays as high as $650 a night: report

The president has falsely claimed taxpayers save lots of money because the Secret Service stays at his hotels
So, the SS stayed at Motel 6s during Barry Soetoro's presidency?

Trump did not run for POTUS to get rich. He was already rich. The dribbles coming in to his properties are not going to up his net wealth significantly, if at all. That is a red herring argument.
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Old 04-21-2020, 12:58 PM
 
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Your hysterical guesstimates are off by magnitudes.

The Imperial College models--which IMO is what got this entire psyop/agitprop effort started--were 2.2 million US deaths, 500,000 in the UK. This has magically gone down to 60,000 for the US. https://cleantechnica.com/2020/03/18...-510000-in-uk/

You have bought the psyop and agitprop hook, line, and sinker. The world went hysterical, the "health experts" fed the fury, and not the least of this is people get to be TV Experts for an hour or two every day.

Destroying a nation's or world's economy for something like the flu, or even the Spanish Flu, is not rational behavior. It is a coup d'etat. Will the democracies recover their freedom? Stay tuned.

Some truth will wash out of this over the next year or two. Watch Sweden, which has chosen the rational path of letting the disease run its course--because, no denying this, it WILL run its course, it will happen now or it will happen later--or throttling the deaths now but accepting another big burst later. Which will require FURTHER stealing of freedoms?

If you're expecting a vaccine for this, where is the AIDS vaccine? And the flu vaccine is often 30% effective. Many develop immunity or develop mild cases.

Suppose a covid20 shows up? Do we close the economy again? Unconstitutionally order people to obey commands from above? Put more people out of work and out of business? Why not just install a permanent dictatorship now, get it over with? Because that is what you seem to prefer.

The most disturbing part of this whole election year exercise is that so many people have gladly given up most of their freedoms to slow what is essentially another flu season.

None of this would have happened had Obama or Hillary been in the White House, you can bet the farm (farmers are also being strangled) on that.





So, the SS stayed at Motel 6s during Barry Soetoro's presidency?

Trump did not run for POTUS to get rich. He was already rich. The dribbles coming in to his properties are not going to up his net wealth significantly, if at all. That is a red herring argument.

Maybe the problem lies with your inability to read. The report says, “unless drastic measures are taken immediately”. And what do you know, drastic measures were taken. Nothing magically went from 2 million to 60,000.
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Old 04-22-2020, 10:48 AM
 
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Maybe the problem lies with your inability to read. The report says, “unless drastic measures are taken immediately”. And what do you know, drastic measures were taken. Nothing magically went from 2 million to 60,000.
That piece is dated March 18. Many lockdowns or slowdowns had already been instituted. If it bleeds, it leads:

When it came to dealing with an unexpected surge in infections and deaths from SARS-CoV-2 (the virus causing COVID-19 symptoms), federal and state policymakers understandably sought guidance from competing epidemiological computer models. On March 16, a 20-page report from Neil Ferguson's team at Imperial College London quickly gathered enormous attention by producing enormous death estimates. Dr. Ferguson had previously publicized almost equally sensational death estimates from mad cow disease, bird flu and swine flu.

The New York Times quickly ran the hot news about this new COVID-19 estimate:

The report, which warned that an uncontrolled spread of the disease could cause as many as 510,000 deaths in Britain, triggered a sudden shift in the government’s comparatively relaxed response to the virus. American officials said the report, which projected up to 2.2 million deaths in the United States from such a spread, also influenced the White House to strengthen its measures to isolate members of the public.

A month later that 2.2 million estimate was still being used (without revealing the source) by President Trump and Doctors Fauci and Birx to imply that up to two million lives had been saved by state lockdowns and business closings and/or by federal travel bans.

It gets better:
https://www.cato.org/blog/how-one-mo...eaths-covid-19

Watch Sweden. Come back in one year for review. Right now we have models, and models are notoriously unreliable.
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Old 04-22-2020, 10:50 AM
 
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Right now we have models, and models are notoriously unreliable.
Tell me about it. One stood me up at Le Cirque for two hours.
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Old 04-22-2020, 11:58 PM
 
Location: Oregon, formerly Texas
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Italy came pretty close to overwhelming its health care system in its northern provinces. That's what we don't want.

However, the lockdowns have to stop by June. There's nothing more we can do and the damage to the economy is going to be epic. If they can even make an effective vaccine, it'll be more than a year from now.
The virus will have run its course through the population by then and no longer be novel.

From what I've been reading, there will be no vaccine to stop this. At best, we can make something like the Flu Shot, which has maybe 35% effectiveness.

Humans have had to live with all kinds of diseases. Some of them we've beaten (polio), others we've improved the situation but not beaten it yet (HIV), some never (influenza). This is something we're going to have to live with and work on & we can't stop our society and economy from functioning.

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