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Old 06-28-2020, 10:58 AM
 
Location: NMB, SC
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This virus didn't surge everywhere in the US at the same time.
It is slowly circulating to the various states.

When NY was in dire mode the rest had low cases. This isn't politics; it the virus moving from state to state.
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Old 06-28-2020, 10:59 AM
 
Location: New York Area
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I don't get this slavish lionization of Andrew Cuomo, who blew off the consensus of public health experts and shoved coronavirus patients into nursing homes--where the most vulnerable populations live. And he did this in April, long after the danger and the mechanics of transmission were well known.

An estimated 6,300 people have died of coronavirus in New York nursing homes since then.

https://news.yahoo.com/ny-state-dems...141123595.html
I lean towards the view that the insertion of Covid patients into nursing homes was woke at best, and a deliberate attempt to raise the death totals at worst.
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Old 06-28-2020, 12:49 PM
 
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I don't get this slavish lionization of Andrew Cuomo, who blew off the consensus of public health experts and shoved coronavirus patients into nursing homes--where the most vulnerable populations live. And he did this in April, long after the danger and the mechanics of transmission were well known.

An estimated 6,300 people have died of coronavirus in New York nursing homes since then.

https://news.yahoo.com/ny-state-dems...141123595.html
The decision was purely evil.
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Old Yesterday, 12:39 AM
 
Location: Oregon, formerly Texas
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The concern in NY at the time was to free up space in hospitals, so they sent recovering or stable patients back to their nursing homes. The priority was triaging hospital beds. NY was not the only state to do that. MI and CA had similar orders and then reversed them. They also didn't have enough PPE or ability to isolate in those nursing homes. In hindsight they should have found somewhere else to discharge them to.

Where Cuomo gets points for not dismissing and belittling the threat of the virus like Trump did, and for resisting calls to reopen too soon. Texas and Florida didn't want to believe the virus was even real, and reopened before cases had even dropped much.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.pbs...ome-death-toll

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Old Yesterday, 04:19 AM
 
Location: New York Area
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Where Cuomo gets points for not dismissing and belittling the threat of the virus like Trump did, and for resisting calls to reopen too soon. Texas and Florida didn't want to believe the virus was even real, and reopened before cases had even dropped much.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.pbs...ome-death-toll
The question is whether locking down before the virus even arrives in significant numbers accomplishes much.
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Old Yesterday, 05:14 AM
 
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I don't get this slavish lionization of Andrew Cuomo, who blew off the consensus of public health experts and shoved coronavirus patients into nursing homes--where the most vulnerable populations live. And he did this in April, long after the danger and the mechanics of transmission were well known.

An estimated 6,300 people have died of coronavirus in New York nursing homes since then.

https://news.yahoo.com/ny-state-dems...141123595.html
If an 89 year old person who lives alone is in the hospital for 2 or 3 weeks, they will be so deconditioned they won’t even be able to sit up in bed yet alone walk. Some who were on vents won’t be able to swallow. There is nowhere a hospital could discharge that person except to a nursing home for rehab. I say this as someone with over 20 years experience in nursing home rehab. Where would you propose that person to be discharged to that doesn’t have a family who can care for them if not a nursing home? Once they are no longer acutely ill, Medicare will not pay for them to be in an acute care hospital any longer even if they had had the beds available.
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Old Yesterday, 05:15 AM
 
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The decision was purely evil.
Where should they have been discharged to?
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Old Yesterday, 06:11 AM
 
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This virus didn't surge everywhere in the US at the same time.
It is slowly circulating to the various states.

When NY was in dire mode the rest had low cases. This isn't politics; it the virus moving from state to state.
Stop with all this sense making stuff.
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Old Yesterday, 06:44 AM
 
Location: Western Washington
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The question is whether locking down before the virus even arrives in significant numbers accomplishes much.
That isn’t a question. Of course it does.

If a state practices appropriate isolation measures, the virus never establishes in significant numbers in the first place.
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Old Yesterday, 07:11 AM
 
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And what are some governors who didn't want to crack down before now doing?? Trying to close or RE-close businesses. And NOW they're trying to get people to social distance, or wear masks.

Some arrogant leaders of Arizona, Florida, Texas, and several other states in the South and West have egg on their faces.
As do several posters on this thread with their denial posts in April and May. Would love to see some of them defend their earlier predictions.
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