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Old 06-30-2020, 04:09 PM
 
Location: Guadalajara, MX
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Well, we also have to take into account Blue state governors shoving Covid-19 patients into nursing/care homes as well.

We really want to get this right when we make our comparisons.
So you don't actually know what percentage of Americans fall into your lucky category of young, thin, and healthy?

I'll also guess that's a yes in that you're comparing that subset of healthier Americans' death rate from covid-19 to the entire population of flu fatalities to say the fatality rates are similar?
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Old 07-01-2020, 08:10 AM
 
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So you don't actually know what percentage of Americans fall into your lucky category of young, thin, and healthy?
Who cares? Those are simply the risk factors that can "possibly" increase mortality.

But the actual statistics show us if you're simply below the age of 55, your survival is now on PAR or LOWER than the common flu.

https://ourworldindata.org/mortality...ovid-19-by-age

According to the statistics, if you're below the age of 30, the mortality rate is basically 0%.

Not just in the US, but in Italy, South Korea, Spain, and even China.

So being old is the only real factor that shows up in the actual mortality rate with any real significance, and in the US it should show up far less (by about 25%) if Governors in CA, NY, MI,NJ,NY did not shove Covid-19 patients into nursing homes.

You really need to do MORE reading and LESS posting on this topic. You're out of your league.
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Old 07-01-2020, 10:42 AM
 
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More younger people getting infected brings the overall death rate down but doesn’t change the death rate for older folks who contract Covid as the youngest folks are helping spread it. That’s the reality of the situation.
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Old 07-01-2020, 10:48 AM
 
Location: NJ
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every year we have some illness that go around. "oh this stomach bug is going around" and you know that a lot of people catch it. we never really give it much thought. how do these things go away? is it a matter of enough getting it providing herd immunity?
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Old 07-01-2020, 01:04 PM
 
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More younger people getting infected brings the overall death rate
Uh, it's not just the death rate. The overall deaths have been dropping for 3 months straight.

The old are susceptible to it, like any bad flu strain. They should take precautions, and the people around them should as well, just as we've done for decades.

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every year we have some illness that go around. "oh this stomach bug is going around" and you know that a lot of people catch it. we never really give it much thought. how do these things go away? is it a matter of enough getting it providing herd immunity?
We've had bad flu seasons where 50,000 to 80,000 have died (very recent). We didn't shut down the economy and society overall. We certainly didn't put flu patients into nursing homes and cause far more death than there needed to be. The decision making process of the governors in CA, NY, MI, PA, and NJ is head scratching.
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Old 07-01-2020, 01:41 PM
 
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Uh, it's not just the death rate. The overall deaths have been dropping for 3 months straight.
Overall deaths have been going up everyday. Maybe you mean number of new daily deaths? In which case is explainable by the large increase in younger infections and prior to that the lockdown and drop in infection rates

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The old are susceptible to it, like any bad flu strain. They should take precautions, and the people around them should as well, just as we've done for decades.
But older folks can’t control who other people are around ie the younger population. There is no doubt a large spread of the virus in the younger population increases the chances of exposure for the older population
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Old 07-01-2020, 05:05 PM
 
Location: Niceville, FL
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Who cares? Those are simply the risk factors that can "possibly" increase mortality.

But the actual statistics show us if you're simply below the age of 55, your survival is now on PAR or LOWER than the common flu.
It's not just about not dying; it's also about being able to continuing to enjoy a lifestyle that makes life worth living. I want to run another marathon and one of the complications of surviving Covid can be lung damage that would make that impossible. I like to eat a wide variety of things and that are also credible reports of Covid survivors developing diabetes, which has its whole slew of life long problems. And hey, I managed to avoid mono in my youth and would like to avoid a disease like Covid that can cause similar bad fatigue problems for months.
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Old 07-01-2020, 06:04 PM
 
Location: Guadalajara, MX
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Who cares? Those are simply the risk factors that can "possibly" increase mortality.
So when you compare fatality rates and note one is comparable to the other you don't care whether what you're saying makes any sense or provides any useful analysis because you have no idea about most of the factors that go into it.


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But the actual statistics show us if you're simply below the age of 55, your survival is now on PAR or LOWER than the common flu.
Right, but since we don't live in some fictional YoungPeopleLandia and 30% of our population is over 55 this information isn't very useful.


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You really need to do MORE reading and LESS posting on this topic. You're out of your league.
I've read the same things you've read, I just don't use them to make boneheaded apples versus oranges arguments like you do.
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Old 07-01-2020, 06:12 PM
 
Location: Guadalajara, MX
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We've had bad flu seasons where 50,000 to 80,000 have died (very recent). We didn't shut down the economy and society overall.
We're at what about 130k deaths from covid-19 so far, despite shutting down the economy and the far more extreme measures taken all over the country.

If we shut down the country like this in flu season we'd have had far less flu deaths.
If we didn't shut down the country like this with covid-19 we'd have had far more covid-19 deaths.

So yet again you're drawing nonsensical conclusions from what you read. Reading is easy, it's forming a coherent, meaningful conclusion from it that escapes you.
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Old 07-01-2020, 06:42 PM
 
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We're at what about 130k deaths from covid-19 so far, despite shutting down the economy and the far more extreme measures taken all over the country.

If we shut down the country like this in flu season we'd have had far less flu deaths.
If we didn't shut down the country like this with covid-19 we'd have had far more covid-19 deaths.

So yet again you're drawing nonsensical conclusions from what you read. Reading is easy, it's forming a coherent, meaningful conclusion from it that escapes you.
People really seem to not be able to understand this concept.

And the other thing is that the flu normally peaks in December, February, and March. So, it essentially didn’t overlap with COVID this year. Next year, we could be rolling into a situation where they spike during similar time frames, which will put tremendous strain on the system and cause deaths to pile as supplies, staff, and hospital space runs low.
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