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Old 05-10-2020, 01:35 PM
 
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The money is in package services.


It is constitutionally mandated, and is never supposed to 'make a profit' It is a service to ALL citizens.


WHat they could do is reduce the weight limits on the flat rate boxes frmo 70 lbs to about 30lbs. ABove that weight it would be zoned.


Also need to charge extra for those who need to come in to the PO with a package and need extra service.
all service should be zoned. there is a difference b/w not making a profit and burning money.
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Old 05-10-2020, 01:42 PM
 
Location: Oregon, formerly Texas
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It makes no freaking sense why people want to kill the usps. That's one of the few constitutionally delineated things government is empowered to operate.

If you're worried about burning money how about saving a few billion on the military?
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Old 05-10-2020, 03:30 PM
 
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they need to raise rates, be run more efficiently and not do ass backwards things like giving bulk discounts to companies stuffing our mailbox with junk mail garbage.
Bulk mail is what pays the bills.

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they shouldn't be subsidizing amazon either.
They're not.
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Old 05-11-2020, 12:01 AM
 
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all service should be zoned. there is a difference b/w not making a profit and burning money.

If 1oz first class regular envelope mail is zoned, how will that affect a Forever stamp? Do you propose 1 Forever stamp per every 500 miles of zip code pair distance?
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Old 05-11-2020, 09:27 AM
 
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There is no meaningful reason to zone first class mail and to do so would be hugely detrimental for the basic role of the post office.

All other mail already is zoned.

Thinking in the narrow model of "run it like a business" is misdirected and useless. It's not a business.
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Old 05-11-2020, 10:08 AM
 
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they need to raise rates, be run more efficiently and not do ass backwards things like giving bulk discounts to companies stuffing our mailbox with junk mail garbage.they shouldn't be subsidizing amazon either.

The only reason that USPS barely chugs along is junk mail and online sales. You are basically saying cut out the only things that generate sales.

As it stands Amazon will eventually cut out USPS since they they have their own vehicles and will have drones. USPS keeps raising first class package and priority mail rates.
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Old 05-11-2020, 10:13 AM
 
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There is no meaningful reason to zone first class mail and to do so would be hugely detrimental for the basic role of the post office.

All other mail already is zoned.

Thinking in the narrow model of "run it like a business" is misdirected and useless. It's not a business.

First class packages have been zoned for a few years now. Some priority mail is zoned some is flat rate. Perhaps you charge a dollar for a first class stamp and charge less if it is zoned local meaning it does not have to be trucked or flown out of the area. Otherwise I am not sure that a 1000 mile or 3000 mile delivery makes much difference.
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Old 05-11-2020, 10:13 AM
 
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As it stands Amazon will eventually cut out USPS since they they have their own vehicles and will have drones.
Drones will never be allowed. They will get in the way of the flying cars.

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Old 05-11-2020, 10:15 AM
 
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The only reason that USPS barely chugs along is junk mail and online sales. You are basically saying cut out the only things that generate sales.

As it stands Amazon will eventually cut out USPS since they they have their own vehicles and will have drones. USPS keeps raising first class package and priority mail rates.

No they won’t. You were wrong about this in the last USPS thread and nothing has changed. USPS delivers to far more place than amazon will every touch.
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Old 05-11-2020, 10:39 AM
 
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No they won’t. You were wrong about this in the last USPS thread and nothing has changed. USPS delivers to far more place than amazon will every touch.
And the entire reason Amazon made the special deal with USPS was that it benefits both of them: Amazon gets every-address delivery, even on Sundays, at a fairly bargain rate, and for what are mostly low-margin small packages (often mailbox size); the USPS gets a solid new revenue stream that leverages — leverages, does not overload — their existing structure.

I get Amazon parcels from all three sources. USPS delivers the little stuff; Amazon vans deliver small and quick-delivery stuff; UPS delivers big stuff, mostly from third-party vendors. I used to see FedEx a lot, too. So Amazon is good at using these resources according to some optimal plan, and the USPS agreement is not trivial.
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