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Old 05-20-2020, 06:08 PM
 
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Today's young women may not be able to afford to get married and have children due to the expense. Maternity Leave is also scarce, and after childbirth, few women get family leave.
Really? That doesn't seem to be consistent with this:
https://www.dol.gov/sites/dolgov/fil...es/whdfs28.pdf

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Additionally, many young women hold marginal jobs that do not offer medical insurance, or poor medical insurance, so the expense of childbirth is also a consideration.
At the same time, there are more young women in college than young men, and more young women graduate from college & go to work for employers who provide medical insurance than men. There has been a pretty big shift in the last decade, although the trend has been going on for 30 years. Some parents of boys half-joke they'll encourage their sons to go to college to get an MR degree.

https://www.nber.org/digest/jan07/w12139.html
https://www.theatlantic.com/business...on-gap/546677/
https://www.chronicle.com/article/Ho...ed-With/244222

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Finally, maternal mortality is higher in the US than in most civilized countries, so there is that factor that eliminates women of childbearing age who are willing to have children from having any more children. Also, US women are waiting later to have children, so they are likely to have fewer children and to have a greater likelihood to die in childbirth

See https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/n...202001_MMR.htm
I just looked at that CDC press release. I was unaware of it; thanks for sharing.

Still, that CDC press release says:


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658 women died of maternal causes in the U.S. using the 2018 coding method.
Each one of those 658 women who died is a personal tragedy for their family, of course, but with only 658 maternal deaths, I don't think maternal deaths is a statistically significant cause of our lack-of-babies issue for the nation as a whole.
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Old 05-20-2020, 06:29 PM
 
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This is a very troubling economic trend:

https://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-bir...ow-11589947260
Your link has a paywall. Like others have said this is a problem in Western Europe, Japan, etc. Not just here. I think its a nothing burger. So GDP growth is down a fraction of a percent. For the average person it means nothing. For corporations on wall st. it means a slightly less robust stock price.

Plus if we ever get to meaningful immigration reform. Bringing in exactly who we need for the country and keeping out those we don't need we can add exactly the right amount of people to keep things going.
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Old 05-20-2020, 06:30 PM
 
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...with only 658 maternal deaths, I don't think maternal deaths is a statistically significant cause of our lack-of-babies issue for the nation as a whole.
658 / 3791712 = 0.0174%... and not all maternal deaths parallel with an infant death, so it would only affect subsequent births in many cases.
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Old 05-20-2020, 06:35 PM
 
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Your link has a paywall.
Whoops.

Try this one - it should take you to the very same article:

https://emailshare.cmail20.com/t/n/d...05d2f-l-d-r-l/
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Old 05-20-2020, 07:31 PM
 
Location: Oregon, formerly Texas
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I personally don't think it's that big of a deal. The end result will be a healthier planet, less war. Declining populations don't have the manpower to fight wars.

The economy will adapt.

People have been wringing their hands about this for a while. Here's a Guardian article from 1999: Just 500 Japanese. An empty Europe. The world dying out..
As fertility rates fall a 'birth dearth' is spreading, write Anthony Browne and Richard Reeves
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Old 05-20-2020, 10:00 PM
 
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This is a very troubling economic trend:

https://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-bir...ow-11589947260




The economic consequence 21 years from now in 2041 will be severe. Every credible econometric model of the US economy shows population growth as a principle driver of future economic growth.

In many senses, this decline is associated with the incredibly strong economy we've enjoyed over the past several years - economic opportunity for women has resulted in their personal decisions to work and defer/decline to procreated.

More and more, it is clear the USA needs a policy of encouraging immigration of fertile women who are of childbearing age.
Rather than destroy our culture by having foreigners having more children, we should encourage and incentivize our own citizens to have more children.

Otherwise, something like this could happen to us, as it is in other parts of the world;


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-3X5hIFXYU






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Old 05-20-2020, 10:07 PM
 
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Uggh, please don't like articles with paywalls.
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Old 05-20-2020, 10:17 PM
 
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This is part of general policy to reduce world population. Create psychological and economic conditions, when families volunteer not to have children. What is, currently, plague in Europe. True Europeans simply do not want to have children.
Agreed. The looming population decline in developed countries, and now in many others, is at least partly engineered.

There were some articles out a few months ago tha sperm counts are down in the Western World have dropped 50% over 40 years. It's supposedly a mystery. But I think somebody (or group of somebodies) out there knows why and they're not telling. Oops, that makes me a conspiracy kook.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/a...western-world/
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Old 05-20-2020, 10:21 PM
 
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the gov't already does this and they should not be.
they encourage morons to keep shooting out kids they can't afford or take care of properly.
Agreed.

It's an unfortunate fact that for the last 2 generations, those less able to raise children into functional adults have been having more kids than the more able. The smarter and less reckless half of the population uses birth control. The less smart and more impulsive half of the population was slow to take it up. No wonder the middle class has shrunk and income and wealth inequality have increased.
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Old 05-20-2020, 10:23 PM
 
Location: Was Midvalley Oregon; Now Eastside Seattle area
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Well, DS (35) has a GF (29). the age difference has given him a small extension to produce an heir or lose the family fortune and the crown to the kingdom
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