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Old 06-22-2020, 11:59 AM
 
Location: interior Alaska
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I actually think universal health care would go further toward stimulating new small business - I actually have a small business, but I have to keep my regular job as well for the benefits, which prevents me from going all-in with my own business.
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Old 06-22-2020, 12:12 PM
 
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I actually think universal health care would go further toward stimulating new small business - I actually have a small business, but I have to keep my regular job as well for the benefits, which prevents me from going all-in with my own business.
This was the argument in favor of ObamaCare. They claimed it would put U.S. businesses more on an equal footing with foreign competitors.

That does make sense, but on the flip side of the coin, it costs the public an extra trillion or two per year though this number was suppressed by the program's cheerleaders. Someone has to pay all that, and in fact ObamaCare didn't stipulate that everyone gets free health care; it just forced smaller businesses to cover their employees whereas before they didn't; and it provided the exchanges for those not employed.

But given that millions of small businesses have been able to do well and provide health plans eventually suggests that your case is not the norm.
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Old 06-22-2020, 12:57 PM
 
Location: Forest bathing
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So in other words, those like myself who worked hard for 9-10 years to pay off our grad school loans are not owed a refund because we're hard working and independent.

Whereas, those who were irresponsible and lazy get bailed out, just because.

Sorry, that's just not going to fly, no matter how you rationalize it and wrap it up in fancy language "reparations" or whatever.
Thank-you for responding to that ridiculous post. You said it more briefly and better than I could. No one was forced to get an advanced degree in Women's Studies or other frivolous fields.
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Old 06-22-2020, 01:01 PM
 
Location: Forest bathing
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Look under "Freedom of Choice / Simulations Thereof."

List all the realistic "choices" a bright 18yo has regarding his/her future. You might look up Thomas Hobson, while you're at it.
I was a poor, but bright, 18 year old female back in the late 1960s. We didn’t have the myriad choices that today’s women have. Perhaps, I and others should ge5 reparations, also.
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Old 06-22-2020, 03:06 PM
 
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I was a poor, but bright, 18 year old female back in the late 1960s. We didn’t have the myriad choices that today’s women have. Perhaps, I and others should ge5 reparations, also.
Yes, Virginia, it is possible to carry all econ discussions to Absurdia.

Massive student debt is the current problem. I guess we can just keep ignoring it until it goes away.
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Old 06-22-2020, 03:18 PM
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Location: California
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So if we're going to give away a bunch of money to certain people to "boost" the economy, why are we choosing it's going to students who borrowed a lot of money for an expensive college degree? And be honest, many blew a lot of that debt on partying/cars and vacations too, especially if they were going to cheaper state schools but qualified for more loans. No thanks
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Old 06-22-2020, 03:23 PM
 
Location: southern california
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So the theory here is that somebody that owes $50,000 for a worthless degree should Borrow to buy a house and borrow money to start a business?
Sounds good all we need is a pudding head banker
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Old 06-22-2020, 04:06 PM
 
Location: Chicago
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What about those who paid theirs already? Do I get a refund? I paid mine off 20 years early!

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That's right.

And what's next? Are the US taxpayers on the hook for all the money bet on Pioneer of the Nile in the 2009 Kentucky Derby?
Sad to say but this is a great analogy especially because tuitions aren't equal. At least your bet for Pioneer of the Nile was able to provide you with your expected odds. Schools can't even offer that sort of transparency. Many of them take your money for worthless degrees so it's no surprise that people get upset at their own debt, brought on by their own stupid mistake.
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Old 06-22-2020, 04:32 PM
 
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Many of them take your money for worthless degrees so it's no surprise that people get upset at their own debt, brought on by their own stupid mistake.
Which stupid mistake... choosing a worthless U thought highly of because of its sports program?

(Oh, I'm sure the answer involves some form of Basketweaving or Canine Studies or whatever, but not all Biz and STEM degrees are exactly equal, either.)
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Old 06-22-2020, 05:17 PM
 
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I guess to some the answer is 18 - 24 year olds should not have been expected to make rational decisions for themselves when they took out these loans. "Society" brow beat them into taking on massive debt for 4 or more years of college.

To correct this, "society" should relieve them of the obligation as they clearly had no idea what they were doing. At the same time, "society" should acknowledge that 18 - 24 year olds are not capable of making these types of grown up decisions. Therefore, they should not be allowed in the military, they should not be allowed to vote, they should not be allowed to enter into legally binding contracts, etc. etc. etc.

Maybe when they reach the wisened old age of 25 they'll be able to do all of these grown up things.
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