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Old 07-13-2020, 06:23 PM
 
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What about all the people who will lose their jobs due to automation in the coming decade? Do we stop progress? Should we continue to pay trillions in the worthless war on drugs simply because it provides hundreds of thousands of federal, state and city jobs?


You can't just keep systems that don't work because insurance companies provide jobs. The health care and other skilled people in the private sector will still get jobs, those jobs will not decline. The job losses will come mainly in the bloated administrative area, and to me that's a good thing.
OurCrazyNewJerseyGirl, when your posts, (as they so often seem to be) completely compatible with my viewpoints, I suppose you to be highly intelligent, charming, and your singing voice is lovely.

I’m a populist believing although our nation’s economic policy should not primarily be for supporting non-government enterprises, we should do so to the extent that they’re performing to the best interest of our aggregate population. We all do better when we all do better.
Respectfully, Supposn
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Old 07-13-2020, 07:16 PM
 
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What about all the people who will lose their jobs due to automation in the coming decade? Do we stop progress? Should we continue to pay trillions in the worthless war on drugs simply because it provides hundreds of thousands of federal, state and city jobs?


You can't just keep systems that don't work because insurance companies provide jobs. The health care and other skilled people in the private sector will still get jobs, those jobs will not decline. The job losses will come mainly in the bloated administrative area, and to me that's a good thing.

Automation is not a government driven thing.
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Old 07-13-2020, 07:17 PM
 
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OurCrazyNewJerseyGirl, when your posts, (as they so often seem to be) completely compatible with my viewpoints, I suppose you to be highly intelligent, charming, and your singing voice is lovely.

I’m a populist believing although our nation’s economic policy should not primarily be for supporting non-government enterprises, we should do so to the extent that they’re performing to the best interest of our aggregate population. We all do better when we all do better.
Respectfully, Supposn
You mean we all do better when we do what you want.
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Old 07-13-2020, 07:19 PM
 
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Health care doesn't work like this. People don't consume health care for the fun of it. It's not like a buffet. Besides hypochondriacs who are not numerous, I don't know anyone who's like "oh man if I don't have a co-pay or deductible, I'm going to the doctor every week!" Why? Is it so fun? Do people like getting their blood pressure checked or blood drawn?

With water people are watering their lawns, gardens, etc... there's incentive to use more if it's not restricted. It's not clear to me what health care people would consume lile that. Maybe massages or acupuncture if we categprize that as health care. Maybe designer glasses frames vs. generic ones. Even then you only need 1-2 pairs of glasses. How many people would try to get a new pair every week?

Generally You can't choose how much health care to consume. If you get sick, you get sick. Then your usage will go from 1 to 100 in a heartbeat.

I go to the doctor maybe once every 2-3 years. I've probaly had fewer than 10-12 doctor visits since 2000. I can count my visits since 2010 on one hand. But if I were to get cancer or covid, my usage of the system would skyrocket.
You should study up on ER "frequent fliers." A small number of people go to the ER anytime they want.
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Old 07-13-2020, 07:22 PM
 
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My monthly premium for 100% healthcare coverage here in Taiwan is 100 US$. Average co-pay is $3. If yo lose your job the premiums drop to almost nothing. Companies don’t have the burden of managing and funding employee healthcare which makes them more competitive. It’s easier to engage in entrepreneurship here because you don’t have to fear loss of healthcare coverage to pursue a business idea. It’s weird but the bottom line is that universal, government run healthcare actually provides a better environment for capitalism to thrive in.
Taiwan also does not have a massive depency class like The US. The World Bank rates starting a business in Taiwan vs. The US as a virtual tie in terms of difficulty.
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Old 07-13-2020, 07:55 PM
 
Location: Niceville, FL
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Health care doesn't work like this. People don't consume health care for the fun of it. It's not like a buffet. Besides hypochondriacs who are not numerous, I don't know anyone who's like "oh man if I don't have a co-pay or deductible, I'm going to the doctor every week!" Why? Is it so fun? Do people like getting their blood pressure checked or blood drawn?
What we do have is a health care culture of fear, lawsuits and profits based on number of procedures performed. About 15 years back, my husband went down the rabbit hole when he mentioned to his primary care doctor that he had been having a lot of heartburn lately. This generated a referral to a specialist that had him in for three different procedures along with tales of gloom and doom of what conditions could be causing the heartburn and how He Must Investigate Everything.

After probably 20K of billable tests, the doctor never could come up with a source for the heartburn on his end. (He did come up with a bunch of payments on his Porsche from the billing generated)

What did fix the heartburn was to stop eating after 8;00pm. But no one in the medical field throughout that whole fiasco ever asked him any questions about his diet, which should have been the starting point but would have only been billed as a general office appointment.
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Old 07-13-2020, 08:03 PM
 
Location: southern california
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The superior manner of government delivery of goods and services spoken of by this poster is highly questionable
It is very true in the beginning - yes yes the marines have landed — but later —-
after empire building and department in fighting digs in -the government can only overcome its disfunction by subcontracting
Signed an insider
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Old 07-13-2020, 08:20 PM
 
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What we do have is a health care culture of fear, lawsuits and profits based on number of procedures performed. About 15 years back, my husband went down the rabbit hole when he mentioned to his primary care doctor that he had been having a lot of heartburn lately. This generated a referral to a specialist that had him in for three different procedures along with tales of gloom and doom of what conditions could be causing the heartburn and how He Must Investigate Everything.

After probably 20K of billable tests, the doctor never could come up with a source for the heartburn on his end. (He did come up with a bunch of payments on his Porsche from the billing generated)

What did fix the heartburn was to stop eating after 8;00pm. But no one in the medical field throughout that whole fiasco ever asked him any questions about his diet, which should have been the starting point but would have only been billed as a general office appointment.
You must have had the worst GP and GI docs in the history of the world. One of my friends is a GI doctor. When people contact his office about heartburn generally the first thing they get is a free referral to webpage that goes over eating habits.
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Old 07-13-2020, 08:57 PM
 
Location: Indianapolis, East Side
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About 15 years back, my husband went down the rabbit hole when he mentioned to his primary care doctor that he had been having a lot of heartburn lately. This generated a referral to a specialist that had him in for three different procedures along with tales of gloom and doom of what conditions could be causing the heartburn and how He Must Investigate Everything.

After probably 20K of billable tests, the doctor never could come up with a source for the heartburn on his end. (He did come up with a bunch of payments on his Porsche from the billing generated)

What did fix the heartburn was to stop eating after 8;00pm. But no one in the medical field throughout that whole fiasco ever asked him any questions about his diet, which should have been the starting point but would have only been billed as a general office appointment.
Gastroenterologists are useless, IME. They seem to think that the condition of your digestive system has nothing to do with what you put in it.

A low-carb diet fixed my acid reflux in a few days.
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Old 07-13-2020, 09:01 PM
 
Location: Indianapolis, East Side
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You must have had the worst GP and GI docs in the history of the world. One of my friends is a GI doctor. When people contact his office about heartburn generally the first thing they get is a free referral to webpage that goes over eating habits.
The usual suggestions to avoid "trigger foods" like coffee, chocolate and spicy foods are as useless as they are common. My case of acid reflux was so bad I had an esophageal ulcer. But after giving my diet a radical carbectomy, I can eat and drink all the "trigger foods" I want.
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