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Old 08-10-2020, 07:50 PM
 
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So they trade with countries we sanctioned. It happens.

Russia.

But my point is about distant second is that China can’t project military power on a global basis. Hell, the U.S just did two freedom of navigation of exercises in the South China Sea with 2 u.s carrier groups. We rejected their territorial claims and said not only do we reject it, but then they sent the ultimate flagrant message of we go where we please. And we did it again for good measure.

Image a country doing that in the Gulf of Mexico.
https://www.spokesman.com/stories/20...th-china-sea-/

I just want to add that China's territorial claims have been ruled illegal by an international tribunal in 2016. The US navy often conducts these freedom of navigation exercises with other Asian navies in the water illegally claimed by China.
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Old 08-10-2020, 10:06 PM
 
Location: Riverside Ca
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In very worst case scenario, if United States accidentally becomes like Venezuela, United States will end up being part of China, after China paid off all the United States debt as part of agreement to transfer power and restore income equality.
Lol. Yeah.......not gonna happen. The Chinese can buy some of the debt if they want but that doesn’t mean we’re gonna sell them the country. Nor are they gonna be able to force their policy on us. Where the f do people come up with this wild ****?

As far as it goes there is nothing that China makes that we cannot make. Sure it’s cheaper to have it made there and ship it here but unltimately if it’s made there it can be made here. With the tariffs prices for chines junk has gone up where it’s not much more to buy a better quality tool made here or in Europe.
Imo the next place that is gonna be a economic boom will be Africa. The manufacturing will move from China simply because as their wages and economic class goes up people will demand better wages better living conditions so manufacturing will need to move where it’s cheap to manufacture and for them to now buy products. They will eventually be in the position USA is now with China on economic trade. China is gonna have a huge shortage of women. That’s what you get when there is a suppression of having children and a even more huge emphasis on male children over girl children which was huge in the past. I’m not sure if they still have one child rule



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I say we just Red Dawn those commie SOB's! Hoooorah
What the hell do you mean hoooorah? It’s Wolverines not hoooorah

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Old 08-11-2020, 07:17 AM
 
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https://www.spokesman.com/stories/20...th-china-sea-/

I just want to add that China's territorial claims have been ruled illegal by an international tribunal in 2016. The US navy often conducts these freedom of navigation exercises with other Asian navies in the water illegally claimed by China.
It’s not common to send 2 carrier groups. That’s a significant display of force. And it was done on the same day as their training in the same region. And then we did it a second time.

It’s like when you tell your kid not to have a cookie, they reach in and take one, eat it mockingly, then stare you down and take out a second one, and then they turn to you and say wow these are pretty sweet, huh? I’d could really go for a glass of milk though, would you mind?

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Old 08-13-2020, 08:32 PM
 
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China, Iran, and Russia are free to set up that competing system. I’m sure it will be great fun to submit to their authority and I’m sure they would never use the power nefariously. I don’t know if I’d support a Chinese/Russian order when in the last century they’ve each been ran by two of the most brutal mass murders in human history, have had revolutions, and economic collapses. It’s not exactly the pristine image of stability and openness. I won’t be loading up on any Russian rubles any time soon, how about you?

Due to alignment with the U.S, I would argue that Germany or say the Uk can exert just as much global power as China. China is second in economics (well, at least on a gross basis, but their population is large), but not second in military or influence. And even if you have them slotted at second overall, it’s a distant second in the way I’d compare McDonald’s to Burger King. One is an international powerhouse, and the other is a relatively regional power that doesn’t even dominate its own region over said international power.

You basically listed a bunch of U.S adversaries trading together. Ok. And then north and South Korea trading? Ok? They’re direct neighbors.
I'm loaded right now in MKB bank. APR in rubles is 7%, inflation is 3.37% this year, my effective APR if 3.63%. Try to find that here - good luck!
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Old 08-13-2020, 08:45 PM
 
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What are you basing this on?

Economically? Politically? Militarily? I honest can't think of one reason someone would believe this other than they read it on the internet and decided sounded scary so must be true.


Yep.
Economically - yes. Their manufacturing sector is twice that of the USA in dollar value. If we start talking PPP it would be 4 times that.
Politically - yes. Countries prefer to rely on the predictably peaceful partner versus USA dictate that often ends with military intervention or country destabilization.
Military - no. Chinese never been good (or even decent) warriors. On another hand, that's a good thing - world doesn't need another militarist dictator state.
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Old 08-13-2020, 09:16 PM
 
Location: We_tside PNW (Columbia Gorge) / CO / SA TX / Thailand
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They might come out ahead of the world. Releasing the virus was a brilliant move.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unrestricted_Warfare
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I think this is why Covid-19 came to be. I'm reminded of the scene from Braveheart where the King calls for the archers "Won't we hit our own men too? Well, yes we will, but we'll hit theirs too and we have more".....
Sounds a lot like the Korean conflict!

Covid-19 is just a 'test-run'... intentional (?) doubt it, but the world is learning a lot about the USA through it. Friends and foes.

China has a lot of internal problems, corruption and power struggles. (and a very leery populace who is becoming more educated and wealthy, but very skeptical of their leadership.)

Thus, not yet the capability to execute the 'magic formula'. They are growing stronger and have a lot of activity going on in other nations (especially African continent). They are strategic, so they do have a plan, and will be capable of executing it, IF they can hold their own country together for 20 - 50 more yrs. At the moment - not looking too likely (Hong Kong and Taiwan pressures and mis-steps by Chinese in exerting more control, rather than leveraging the benefits (and risk) of allowing these areas a growing level of independence, yet still holding their ultimate fate. China will need a lot of friends to expand their control. But they're not masking any friends at the moment.

Pure force will not win this battle. (now or later)
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Old 08-15-2020, 12:11 PM
 
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In very worst case scenario, if United States accidentally becomes like Venezuela, United States will end up being part of China, after China paid off all the United States debt as part of agreement to transfer power and restore income equality.
There is NO scenario where that is possible. Or let's put it this way - a zombie Apocalypse is more likely.
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Old 09-01-2020, 06:47 PM
 
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Actually no. It's been predicted they will be equal in economic might around 2048 IF ALL THINGS REMAIN THE SAME. ....Which they won't. So at the closest we are still just under 30 years away. However, as mentioned, they have a large Baby Boom population they will need to take care of. I dont see them coming close to the US on their own. The only way it will happen is if the USA brings it's self down or there is some cataclysmic event that happens in the USA.
https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/...992-2008-2024/

2024 the WEF says.
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Old 09-01-2020, 06:48 PM
 
Location: southern california
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How is losing your best customer a stepping stone to world power
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Old 09-04-2020, 10:02 PM
 
Location: NNV
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I have doubts than any centrally planned government and economy can survive long term. They all crumble from within and implode.
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