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09-10-2020, 08:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Durpie
Again. You show how clueless most people are. Most Skilled trades are in construction. They are the same thing. Plumbers and electricians are construction workers!
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Tell that to the many guys that fly overseas to service steam turbines from a specific manufacturer. You're wrong. Have you ever heard of "Process Controls"? Many Electricians, Plumbers and Pipefitters work in this industry. Someone that works at Exxon on the maintenance team is not a construction worker. They are heavily involved in making sure existing systems stay running to provide oil, gas and mining services . Working in oil, gas, chemical and power is very technical. |
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09-10-2020, 09:19 PM
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Originally Posted by M3Guy
Tell that to the many guys that fly overseas to service steam turbines from a specific manufacturer.
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Well I'll head right on down to the service steam turbine worker hangout bar downtown to discuss with them. I imagine lots of mustaches. |
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09-11-2020, 02:27 AM
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Location: Oregon, formerly Texas
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Originally Posted by Minethatbird
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Whenever I see reports of shortages of any kind of worker, I want to know what the pay is and what the conditions are. The Forbes article says the median wage is $20 an hour. So half the positions pay less than that and are physically demanding. So if the wages are in the $13-16 an hour range... well there are a lot of jobs that pay that.
In the third article, the industry rep blamed themselves, saying they did not properly entice people back after the effects of 2008 wore off.
Which is something left out of the conversation - the construction trades are boom and bust, directly correlated to the health of the housing and commercial building markets.
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09-11-2020, 06:37 AM
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Originally Posted by M3Guy
Tell that to the many guys that fly overseas to service steam turbines from a specific manufacturer. You're wrong. Have you ever heard of "Process Controls"? Many Electricians, Plumbers and Pipefitters work in this industry. Someone that works at Exxon on the maintenance team is not a construction worker. They are heavily involved in making sure existing systems stay running to provide oil, gas and mining services . Working in oil, gas, chemical and power is very technical.
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I'm not wrong because I said MOST work in construction. "Many" work in this industry? Many actually means a very small percentage in your case. Many does not equal "Most". You can go to the BLS and not even see the oil industry listed its so small. Not only that, but oil and gas is still the same type of work and can be considered construction. If a new refinery is built then that requires traditional construction trades and the work is the same coming from the same unions or companies.
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09-11-2020, 06:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Minethatbird
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These same BS articles have been posted for the past 100 years on repeat. Even during the recession when unemployment was near record highs.
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09-12-2020, 09:34 PM
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Location: South Carolina
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Pushing people into the trades is good as long as it is not used as a fix it all for people who make low wages. Trades are good for a select group of people who has the abilities and skills to do those jobs.
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09-12-2020, 10:21 PM
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Location: Florida
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Originally Posted by ocnjgirl
Excelling at a trade makes it an easy entree into starting your own business. It is very different than owning a McDonalds, which requires hundreds of thousands of dollars for the franchise. All you need to do as a tradesman is start an LLC and have a good reputation. Where's your link to this 'fact" that the majority of tradesmen who go into business fail?? Where is your link that says less than 1% of tradesmen own their business?
Even without owning though, tradespeople are going to make decent money, without debt. If you're in NJ, there's a 4-6 week wait for tree trimming services due to the storms, those guys are making money hand over fist, owners as well as workers.
You still haven't offered any kind of logical reason why having less choices for a career is better than more.
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I agree with everything said here. And, the better analogy to what a tradesperson does to start a business than McDonalds is someone who starts their own food truck. Same deal. |
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