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Old 10-02-2020, 12:17 PM
 
Location: Flyover part of Virginia
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I thought the peak oil theory was already debunked due to the wide spread use of fracking?
So you're one of the fools I mentioned in my OP?
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Old 10-02-2020, 02:30 PM
 
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Peak oil peaked in 2005.
Since then the USA is the world's top oil exporter.
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Old 10-02-2020, 02:41 PM
 
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So you're one of the fools I mentioned in my OP?
So now you've resorted to insults? Insults are simply the lowest form of making one's argument.

You'd have much more credibility if you'd just expand the reasoning in your assertions. For instance, you've said that "Renewables depend on an underlying fossil fuel base". Why is that? Why can't nuclear, or even renewables with storage (which could be hydrogen-based, although it is less efficient than say, chemical battery storage), be the "base" upon which renewables are added? Or is it because so many materials are hydrocarbon-based? If the latter, all the more reason to harvest energy from renewable sources, and "save" the petrochemicals for material manufacturing in decades (centuries?) hence.

With respect to the higher-density of liquid hydrocarbon fuels being superior to electrical (battery storage), that's a true assertion for many applications. But to be honest, if electrical energy were both abundant and cheap enough, hydrocarbons could be "fabricated" from electrical power, water, and CO2 (the Nazi's made synfuels with coal in WWII). But hydrogen via electrolysis is probably much more efficient, hence all the calls in recent years for a "hydrogen-based economy".

I've best heard this whole argument summarized by someone who said, "The Stone Age didn't end because we ran out of stones". The same is true with fossil fuels. Now, fossils allowed humans to greatly improve our standard of living, it's been said (by J. Cadogan) that "Oil allows modern humans more mobility than a Roman Emperor". Don't we still have "centuries" of fossil fuels left at our current rate of consumption, even if they become more expensive? Technology has been progressing at an exponential rate for the past two or three centuries, not linearly. The advent of AI will likely increase that rate. And to be honest, I fear the negative aspects of AI much more than "peak oil".
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Old 10-21-2020, 01:26 PM
 
Location: Del Rio, TN
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So, what's the date of this peak oil apocalypse and how long will it take to get from there to zero, anyway?
When I was in high school, it was supposed to be 1982....
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Old 10-21-2020, 03:08 PM
 
Location: Flyover part of Virginia
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When I was in high school, it was supposed to be 1982....
I'll just say this- the collapse is utterly unavoidable, and the longer it takes for it to happen, the more catastrophic it will be when it finally does.

Think of it like falling from a height- the longer you remain in freefall the more disastrous the results will be when you finally hit the ground.
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Old 10-22-2020, 04:01 AM
 
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I'll just say this- the collapse is utterly unavoidable, and the longer it takes for it to happen, the more catastrophic it will be when it finally does.

Think of it like falling from a height- the longer you remain in freefall the more disastrous the results will be when you finally hit the ground.
meh!! a poor argument .
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Old 10-22-2020, 06:35 AM
 
Location: Moving?!
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I'll just say this- the collapse is utterly unavoidable, and the longer it takes for it to happen, the more catastrophic it will be when it finally does.

Think of it like falling from a height- the longer you remain in freefall the more disastrous the results will be when you finally hit the ground.
Fluid Friction
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Old 10-22-2020, 06:38 AM
 
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terminal velocity
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Old 10-22-2020, 07:21 AM
 
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This is kind of moot. 10 years from now, my electric vehicle will be powered by Hydro Quebec. The high efficiency heat pump for my house will heat & cool powered by Hydro Quebec. That will be supplemented by all the offshore wind that's going in now, tidal, and solar. There will still be some natural gas demand which can be met by pipelines from fracking-land but oil demand is going to drop off the cliff. I've already done the math on converting from a natural gas heating system to a heat pump and it's a huge win. That's my dominant energy use. In New England, the energy barons won't wear a keffiyeh. They'll wear a toque, root for Les Habs, and eat poutine, eh?
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Old 10-22-2020, 07:31 AM
 
Location: Spain
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Think of it like falling from a height- the longer you remain in freefall the more disastrous the results will be when you finally hit the ground.
Depends on a lot of factors (both environmental and with the object falling) but generally speaking terminal velocity is reached in less than 500 meters, about 12 seconds.

Your ignorance of physics is noted, tell us more about the science behind peak oil?
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