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Old 10-05-2020, 06:01 AM
 
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The Biden plan for corporate taxes are huge disincentives to businesses - the current business tax is about average for major industrial countries, the proposed would be near the top. This tax increase would impact everyone, including those in the lowest brackets - the table shows lowest 20% effective tax rate goes from 1.1% under current law vs 1.6% under Biden plan. These corporate tax increases have an even bigger impact on investors (and some studies say employees also), those investing have less income and less incentive to save and invest.

Also Biden has a plan to "Equalizing the tax benefits of retirement plans" that will create less incentive to save in a tax deferred retirement account for many.

I was not talking about the capital gains tax rates increasing for the wealthy, but that makes it even worse. The capital gains increases for the wealthy mean that less incentive for them to be invested in US corporations, causing more damage to the economy and additional market drops.

Bottom line is that everyone's taxes increase. But If your main income is investments, when the corporate tax goes up and the economy and stock market drop, your income is reduced more significantly - not just a tax increase. Put that with less incentives to save and the impact increases. That is the reason retirements are impacted more than regular income is.
Taxes are levied on businesses but businesses don’t pay them, their customers and shareholders pay via higher prices and lowered dividends.
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Old 10-05-2020, 07:06 AM
 
Location: Spain
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So little tax coming in to pay for everything
Muh?
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Old 10-05-2020, 07:31 AM
 
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I don't understand why people don't realize that our national debt is off the wall! One way or another, somehow this has to be paid down.
The economy, workers, small business are in bad shape. So little tax coming in to pay for everything. I would think, no matter who wins, this debt has to be paid down or Social Security, Medicare and States will all go under.

What do you all suggest could solve this problem? We can't continue like this...
The central banks around the world are all-in for MMT (they have no other choice). Under MMT the level of debt doesn’t matter, only employment, so the plan is to create debt/money as needed to get to “full employment”. Inflation? Create debt to fund UBI payments to offset the price increases. All problems in the financial sector will be solved by more debt.

Oddly enough it seems politicians of all stripes are taking a shine to MMT.
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Old 10-05-2020, 07:32 AM
 
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Maybe if it started at $4 million. $400k is too low. We can't increase taxes on the middle class.
Yes you can and the reality is that it’s probably in the future l. What you shouldn’t have been doing is offering tax cuts and expanding the deficit while in an expanding economic cycle
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Old 10-05-2020, 07:41 AM
 
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I don't understand why people don't realize that our national debt is off the wall! One way or another, somehow this has to be paid down.
The economy, workers, small business are in bad shape. So little tax coming in to pay for everything. I would think, no matter who wins, this debt has to be paid down or Social Security, Medicare and States will all go under.

What do you all suggest could solve this problem? We can't continue like this...
Trickle down of course. Lower taxes for all. HAHA.
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Old 10-05-2020, 07:49 AM
 
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Yes you can and the reality is that it’s probably in the future l. What you shouldn’t have been doing is offering tax cuts and expanding the deficit while in an expanding economic cycle
Sure they can increase taxes — until one day a rope with a funny looking knot is placed around their necks. TPTB know this and the dance continues.
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Old 10-05-2020, 08:00 AM
 
Location: The South
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I don't understand why people don't realize that our national debt is off the wall! One way or another, somehow this has to be paid down.
The economy, workers, small business are in bad shape. So little tax coming in to pay for everything. I would think, no matter who wins, this debt has to be paid down or Social Security, Medicare and States will all go under.

What do you all suggest could solve this problem? We can't continue like this...
Yep, the gov. Is about broke
Fiscal Year Revenue
FY 2021 $3.86 (estimated)
FY 2020 $3.71 trillion (estimated)
FY 2019 $3.46 trillion (actual)
FY 2018 $3.33 trillion
FY 2017 $3.32 trillion
FY 2016 $3.27 trillion
FY 2015 $3.25 trillion
FY 2014 $3.02 trillion
FY 2013 $2.77 trillion
FY 2012 $2.45 trillion
FY 2011 $2.30 trillion
FY 2010 $2.16 trillion
FY 2009 $2.10 trillion
FY 2008 $2.52 trillion
FY 2007 $2.57 trillion
FY 2006 $2.41 trillion
FY 2005 $2.15 trillion
FY 2004 $1.88 trillion
FY 2003 $1.78 trillion
FY 2002 $1.85 trillion
FY 2001 $1.99 trillion
FY 2000 $2.03 trillion
FY 1999 $1.82 trillion
FY 1998 $1.72 trillion
FY 1997 $1.58 trillion
FY 1996 $1.45 trillion
FY 1995 $1.35 trillion
FY 1994 $1.26 trillion
FY 1993 $1.15 trillion
FY 1992 $1.09 trillion
FY 1991 $1.05 trillion
FY 1990 $1.03 trillion
FY 1989 $991 billion
FY1988 $909 billion
FY 1987 $854 billion
FY 1986 $769 billion
FY 1985 $734 billion
FY 1984 $666 billion
FY 1983 $601 billion
FY 1982 $618 billion
FY 1981 $599 billion
FY 1980 $517 billion
FY 1979 $463 billion
FY 1978 $399 billion
FY 1977 $356 billion
FY 1976 $298 billion
FY 1975 $279 billion
FY 1974 $263 billion
FY 1973 $231 billion
FY 1972 $207 billion
FY 1971 $187 billion
FY 1970 $193 billion
FY 1969 $187 billion
FY 1968 $153 billion
FY 1967 $149 billion
FY 1966 $131 billion
FY 1965 $117 billion
FY 1964 $113 billion
FY 1963 $107 billion
FY 1962 $100 billion
FY 1961 $94 billion
FY 1960 $93 billion
FY 1789–1959 $1.1 trillion
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Old 10-05-2020, 08:06 AM
 
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Yep, the gov. Is about broke
Fiscal Year Revenue
FY 2021 $3.86T (estimated)
Remember when people were outraged that Jimmy Carter’s 1978 budget showed a $72B deficit? Now $72B is a rounding error.
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Old 10-05-2020, 08:58 AM
 
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Yes you can and the reality is that it’s probably in the future l. What you shouldn’t have been doing is offering tax cuts and expanding the deficit while in an expanding economic cycle
Not during a recession.

There's multiple ways to reduce the deficit. The most effective is to reduce spending.

There's multiple ways to reduce the debt. The most effective is to increase our economy so tax revenue increases -- but not as a result of raising tax percentages for the poor... but as a result of raising the overall economy.
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Old 10-05-2020, 09:12 AM
 
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Some of these tax proposals could significantly impact many retirements negatively - create disincentive to fund own retirement.
The Biden economic team understands that and agrees with your analysis - it sees that as a "good thing"
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