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Old 01-12-2021, 07:16 AM
 
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Money comes from the US Mint. Everything else is window dressing to cloak their personal desires in the guise of "fiscal responsibility".
The US Mints produces coins. A more handy form of fiat for smaller transactions. I gave up wearing a watch and using coins many years ago. IMO our only denominations should be the quarter and possibly the dime.
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Old 01-12-2021, 07:29 AM
 
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They just print more money till they run out of ink.
Actually, it's electrons. But I know what you mean.
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Old 01-12-2021, 08:48 AM
 
Location: az
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I like the Trump team,they are businessmen and they ask where do we get the money ?
Democrats all they can say is tax the rich,Margaret Thatcher asked after taxing the rich,who else is left to tax?

A politicians first concern is getting elected.

A politicians second concern is getting re-elected.
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Old 01-12-2021, 01:56 PM
 
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I like the Trump team,they are businessmen and they ask where do we get the money ?
Democrats all they can say is tax the rich,Margaret Thatcher asked after taxing the rich,who else is left to tax?
Your question is loaded and I will take the bait.

Have no doubt that businessmen are far from being angels. The bottom line is everything and they do things to hide the way they are making the money. You would be hard-pressed to find a big business that is ethical. Granted there must be some ethical ones but they are not huge companies... can't be.

Look at how successful Walmart and Home Depot are. They make their margins by paying very low wages. Employees are the ones that get hit when a company wants to reduce their overhead so they can increase profits and pay their executive million-dollar salaries. What is so redeeming about that?

Where to get the money. Are you hinting about universal health care, where money will actually be saved? That has been explained already. The wall was going to cost billions and the money was found for that. Where was that money found? Check out how many government social programs were shut down for it. The little fish were sucked dry for the wall. The rich got tax breaks.

Democrats want to close the loopholes big businesses and rich people use not to pay tax. Not paying tax or getting tax breaks is robbing the citizens of America who ARE paying tax on incomes that pale in comparison. The trickle down effect is a lie big-pants use to explain away their indiscretions.

Politicians just starting out probably have good intentions but once they are elected their environment forces newbies to conform to less lofty ideals or they're out. There are few who can resist the assaults against their personal idealism and thereby succumb. I think Bernie Sanders became an independent to escape this. I think Obama resisted hard but could not beat the enclave who were bound and determined to own him.
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Old 01-13-2021, 09:06 PM
 
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I think the next 2 years is going to make the Roman bread and Circuses look like a child's birthday party.
Me, too. And I'll be happy to be wrong. Truly.
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Old 01-13-2021, 09:42 PM
 
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Are you hinting about universal health care, where money will actually be saved?
Actually, even people in favor of it who have their eyes open know that there's no guarantee this will happen. There's too much focus on insurance coverage, and practically none on preventing illness in the first place, even though most of our health care costs are driven by prevantable illnesses.

Presidential candidate Marianne Williamson said:

The biggest problem with America’s health care system is that it is not a health care system so much as a sickness care system. It reflects an outdated perspective on health and healing, in which far too little attention is given to the actual cultivation of health and prevention of disease.

The shift to a genuine health care system would involve attention to environmental, agricultural, chemical and nutritional factors which America’s current corporate-dominated system of governance would presumably resist. Yet if America is to deal with our serious issues involving chronic disease and obesity, we must look deeply at the causes of disease and not simply their treatment.


Never heard of her? Didn't know she was a candidate early on? I'm not surprised. People who propose real reform never have a chance.

https://marianne2020.com/issues/healthcare

Bill Maher, who isn't a politician but is in favor of universal health insurance said:

"I don't think a lot of people like arguing with their insurance company, but they're afraid of something worse. And I don't blame them....If you're gonna to tell me the government, and I'm a Democrat, but if you're gonna tell me the government is gonna smoothly handle taking something over that large? I am gonna be a little skeptical.

.....As an old school progressive, when you go down the list of things that the progressives have accomplished, especially in my lifetime I cheer them all...Social Security....Medicare, Medicaid....But when you look at government...at what their big successes have amounted to, it's passing out money--that very often they don't have. That's what they're really good at.

Running a giant health care system, especially when the politicians who are proposing these systems will not...talk about 'we gotta cap the couging'.....

....And also, they don't ask the people to lift a finger to take care of their own health. Nobody's health care system is gonna work unless...people have some skin in the game. You can't like, not tell the people 'you can't keep eating as much as you want and as sh*tty of food as you want and expect us to cover the bill'. You just can't.


Thank you Bill Maher and Marianne Williamson. If we had politicians who spoke like them--who told the truth--the whole truth--not just flattering half truths, then we would not only have affordable health care for the people (both individuals and the taxpayers), but we wouldn't have 70% of the population overweight and 1/3 obese, with all the myriad health problems that go along with those ailments (Covid deaths included).

But we don't have politicians who speak like them. And that's becasue many of our citizens only want to hear those flattering half truths. Unfortunately, it will probably take something radically bad happening before there will be a positive change.
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Old 01-27-2021, 08:36 PM
 
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That was Alvin Lee, not Margaret Thatcher.
she said that too,
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Old 01-27-2021, 09:46 PM
 
Location: Philadelphia (Center City)
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Trump borrowed lots of money that he never paid back. In the world of business, that's just part of the game.

Trump suggested the US apply the same rules to holders of US Treasuries. Why do we have to pay what we said we would? I never did that and I was elected President of the United States!

https://redstate.com/streiff/2016/05...t-video-n58873
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Old 01-29-2021, 10:19 AM
 
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Our Govt should only worry about why they have to owe someone for the money they create.
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Old 01-29-2021, 10:27 AM
 
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Our Govt should only worry about why they have to owe someone for the money they create.
Meaning our Federal gov't should create money primarily and sans debt?
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