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Old 03-22-2021, 11:05 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Gilead
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Given the real economy, this stock market is nuts. This is the very definition of a bubble. Soaring stock market but no foundation to back it up. The Dow should have bottomed at around 6000 in the fall of 2020 and should probably be back up to around 11000-12000 range by now. We could be looking at a historic crash in the near future. All bubbles end eventually.
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Old 03-27-2021, 08:38 PM
 
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Look who has been buying our national debt. The Fed. And the Fed buys debt by creating money out of thin air. So that new money being handed out comes from thin air, not from anywhere else in the economy. It is new money. And if there is slack in the economy, resources or product or services just sitting unused or not sold, that new money can be used to buy the unsold product or put those resources to use. And that boosts the economy.

A lot of the money first goes to individuals, families and small businesses. Who then spend it right away into the economy, and then much of that trickles on up to the larger corps and the rich. Of course there is middle class participation. And no one is proposing giving everyone a million dollars. Heck, politically it is hard at a thousand or so.
Since population always increases, new money always has to be created. The Fed is supposed to create the right amount of new money.

Since 2008, and especially since 2020, enormous amounts of new dollars have been created. A lot of those dollars are soaked up by foreign investors. But if they had stayed in the US economic system, inflation would have resulted, and that means wealth would not increase.

Money and wealth are two separate things. Money is to wealth like a map is to a territory.

Give every American five thousand dollars, and prices of basic necessities will rise by about five thousand dollars. No one will be any better off than they were before.
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Old 03-27-2021, 08:46 PM
 
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The Dow is up 3% since the thread was started not a bad month
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Old 03-27-2021, 10:31 PM
 
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Since population always increases, new money always has to be created. The Fed is supposed to create the right amount of new money.

Since 2008, and especially since 2020, enormous amounts of new dollars have been created. A lot of those dollars are soaked up by foreign investors. But if they had stayed in the US economic system, inflation would have resulted, and that means wealth would not increase.

Money and wealth are two separate things. Money is to wealth like a map is to a territory.

Give every American five thousand dollars, and prices of basic necessities will rise by about five thousand dollars. No one will be any better off than they were before.
Much if not most of that new money will trickle up, as most will spend it on necessities. And then some middle and upper class people will see gains or add to their investments and wealth. Typically over and above inflation long term with proper knowledge and/or guidance.
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Old 03-27-2021, 10:32 PM
 
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The Dow is up 3% since the thread was started not a bad month
Those properly invested got wealthier beyond inflation.
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Old 03-28-2021, 01:28 AM
 
Location: Flyover part of Virginia
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The only reason the stock market is going up is because of an endless supply of "stimulus" and cheap credit.
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Old 03-28-2021, 01:36 AM
 
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The only reason this...the only reason that ....whatever ...the point is there is a reason
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Old 03-28-2021, 04:49 AM
 
Location: Pennsylvania
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The only reason the stock market is going up is because of an endless supply of "stimulus" and cheap credit.
Doesn't matter. It's going up, and unless we get another Covid surprise like we did a year ago, I can't see the trend really reversing any time soon.
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Old 03-31-2021, 12:23 AM
 
Location: Oregon, formerly Texas
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Yeah I see no reason we won't see Dow 50k in before 2030, 100k before 2040.
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Old 03-31-2021, 05:31 AM
 
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The only reason the stock market is going up is because of an endless supply of "stimulus" and cheap credit.
So your advise is always fight the Fed?
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