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Old 05-30-2021, 07:22 AM
 
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The labor shortages are local and isolated cases, meanwhile there are a lot of people who work full time and still cannot lift their family out of poverty. Have some empathy for those less fortunate.
What do you base your statement about local/ isolated cases on?
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Old 05-30-2021, 08:46 AM
 
Location: Baltimore, MD
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It's "constitutional".

"It has been customary from the beginning for Congress to give some retroactive effect to its tax laws, usually making them effective from the beginning of the tax year or from the date of introduction of the bill that became the law. Application of an income tax statute to the entire calendar year in which enactment took place has never, barring some peculiar circumstance, been deemed to deny due process."
https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitu...roactive-taxes
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Old 05-30-2021, 11:57 AM
 
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Well off.
So you want to tax success when close to 50% of the country has no skin in the game, and some have lived of generational welfare for many decades?

If nothing else, Biden paying people plenty of money to do nothing has proved (even in todays day and age), many peoples lazy nature kicks in, and you cannot get them to work so long as you provide a fish for them to eat every day.
Cut the free meal off, and suddenly they go out and find work, or continue to live off of the producers.
Many with an entitlement attitude or just their lack of ambition would be happy to stay at home, smoke dope, and allow others to fund their sloth & gluttony.


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I already saw that in states that cut the unemployment gravy train, job searches were up.
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Old 05-30-2021, 02:25 PM
 
Location: Was Midvalley Oregon; Now Eastside Seattle area
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Not in the high tax bracket AND not getting Income from just selling any assets for the CapGains.
These two conditions, must be meet, the way I read the proposal.
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Old 05-30-2021, 03:12 PM
 
Location: Boston
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The labor shortages are local and isolated cases, meanwhile there are a lot of people who work full time and still cannot lift their family out of poverty. Have some empathy for those less fortunate.
I do for those that have two full time jobs and can't make it 168 hours in a week, if 40 doesn't pay the bills re-examine your spending or get a second full time job.
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Old 05-30-2021, 04:02 PM
 
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I do for those that have two full time jobs and can't make it 168 hours in a week, if 40 doesn't pay the bills re-examine your spending or get a second full time job.
That's a little tough for a single mother with younger kids, given the lack of help in taking care of them. And, before you rant about how unworthy single mothers are, many of them are in situations where the father of their kids walked out, leaving the woman with the kids and little or no income.

If you make $10/hour, it's sort of hard to maintain anything other than a basic lifestyle, but here you are saying that those folks should work themselves to death. Maybe employers could pay higher wages.
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Old 05-30-2021, 06:02 PM
 
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I already saw that in states that cut the unemployment gravy train, job searches were up.
That does make sense.
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Old 05-30-2021, 08:25 PM
 
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That's a little tough for a single mother with younger kids, given the lack of help in taking care of them. And, before you rant about how unworthy single mothers are, many of them are in situations where the father of their kids walked out, leaving the woman with the kids and little or no income.

If you make $10/hour, it's sort of hard to maintain anything other than a basic lifestyle, but here you are saying that those folks should work themselves to death. Maybe employers could pay higher wages.

Should a solo mother with 2 kids be paid more for the exact same job and value as a married mother who has a husband who has a good corporate job? Since when is it the employer’s job to provide a certain lifestyle?

By the way, employers do offer higher wages. The trick is having the actual skill set and ability to generate value so that you can earn one of them.
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Old 05-30-2021, 10:11 PM
 
Location: Las Vegas & San Diego
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The labor shortages are local and isolated cases, meanwhile there are a lot of people who work full time and still cannot lift their family out of poverty. Have some empathy for those less fortunate.
It is forced wealth transfer to give away tax money away that is taken from others - to give more to not work than they earn from working is not smart. It really doesn't take that much to get above poverty level.

The US poverty level is:
Size Income
1 $12,760 - equivalent of about $6.50/hr full time
2 $17,240 - equivalent of about $8.80/hr
3 $21,720 - equivalent of about $11.08/hr
4 $26,200 - equivalent of about $13.37/hr or $6.68/hr if 2 working

The unemployment benefits at $600/wk is equivalent to $31,200/yr plus other payments that brought that to almost $50k on average - so well above poverty levels. Why am I supposed to feel empathy for some that made almost $50K for not working. That type of give away does not evoke empathy.
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Old 05-31-2021, 09:47 AM
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I already saw that in states that cut the unemployment gravy train, job searches were up.

Restaurants here that had been waiting and struggling for the pandemic to abate so they could reopen were finally able to do so in recent weeks, and now some of them are closing again because they can't find any staff, even after increasing their starting pay by 25% or more compared to pre-pandemic, and they're not the only businesses in this situation. They're going to fail because people don't want to go back to work. The NH governor said Enough already, stopped the not-working payments, and offered a one-time bonus to anyone who went back to to work and kept working there for 8 weeks.
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