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Old 06-11-2021, 12:02 PM
 
Location: Taos NM
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https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-55571813



https://indianexpress.com/article/wo...d-flu-7339371/

Avian influenza virus: China reports first human case of H10N3 bird flu

The Chinese Communist Party cannot seem to keep young people employed at a fair wage to afford housing and their people safe from viruses that transmit due to poor hygiene and sanitary conditions in animal and food processing industries.

Seems to me that it's not such a great place

https://www.aljazeera.com/economy/20...ford-more-kids

Despite three-child policy, many in China can’t afford more kids



China has a caste system determined by place of birth. How is this a prosperous country????

Your Hukou determines everything in your life in China. Imagine being born in New Orleans and unable to do anything of significance outside of Louisiana. Untenable and unsustainable.

The current People's Republic of China will collapse by the year 2050.
Yes big cities have issues, that's where everyone dives to get a chance at the big wages. But China has been fighting this by investing in smaller cities and pushing development there, because they realize the problems that people like you highlight are functions of sticking 20000000 people in one spot, not necessarily a china problem as a whole. Can you tell me that nationwide Chinese people can't afford houses or kids? No. The air's fine in outside of the eastern flat plains and big cities.
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China's working age population is, even now, cratering. China will lose 250 million workers between 2014 and 2050. You can't fight demographics.

And, it's important to realize what drove China's spectacular growth. China is a commodity economy. Rather than oil or diamonds or wheat or something else, their commodity has been cheap labor.

Those days are over. China over the past 30 years grew its industrial base by offering cheap, relatively well-educated workers. They scraped the countryside bare of available labor and shoved them into cities.

The problem is that not only is their chief commodity running out, but it's become more expensive. Hourly wages of Chinese workers have grown by a factor of 11 since 2000, while other Asian manufacturing economies have seen a rise of 4x-5x.

Now the One Child Policy chickens are beginning to roost. Add to that a credit system that makes zero sense, wholesale corruption, the importation of 85% of their energy from overseas, breathtaking malinvestment, and you have a rickety economy that only needs a couple of well-timed blows to send the entire house of cards crashing down. The fact that $2.5 trillion in capital left the country in 2020 should tell you everything you need to know about the faith Chinese have in the country's future. The fate of Jack Ma is also a pretty strong indicator.

I don't think China will ever go to war, because it knows that will be the last thing it ever does. Even if the Chinese managed to successfully subjugate Taiwan--which I doubt it every could in the first place--then what happens the next day? Oil shipments can be stopped by any naval power with a handful of ships. Without a steady flow of oil shipments from the Middle East, the entire country grinds to a halt inside of two months.

China is a threat to be taken seriously. But I think China is a threat to be managed over time. In twenty years, it will not be nearly the issue that it is today.
1/2 the world lives near China. They can get immigrants very easily, and it's not a huge culture shock to integrate a Burmese person into a Chinese culture. Demographics are much less of a problem for China than many other countries, like Japan.

Likewise, tech and science are migrating over to the Pacific Rim. Again it only makes sense. 1/2 the world is over there and there's economies of scale with so many people so close. Look at engineering feats, China is leading the world there. Look at the surnames of authors for articles published on Phys.org, a lot of Chinese researchers. There is much much more going on in China besides just fabrication.

San Fransisco and the American tech scene was a function of America being stable, accepting scientists coming from crappy circumstances, and having tons of money for the 20th century. Now the situations changed and the research and advancements, the STEM economy, is migrating back to where it naturally would be, where lots of educated people are, east Asia.
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Old 06-11-2021, 12:08 PM
 
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the West has no idea of what's going on in China. The demographic crisis in China is so over hyped. If CCP can implement the one child policy over the past 40 years, it can implement policies to encourage birth rates. There are so many policy tools that can be used. But China for now does not feel the need.

China started allowing couples to have two children almost a decade ago and birth rates have actually dropped since that time. In fact, there's evidence that China--long known for its fraudulent economic numbers--is actually cooking the books on its birthrates, too.



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China is a house of cards. Overleveraged, out of people, and corrupt.
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Old 06-11-2021, 12:16 PM
 
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1/2 the world lives near China. They can get immigrants very easily, and it's not a huge culture shock to integrate a Burmese person into a Chinese culture. Demographics are much less of a problem for China than many other countries, like Japan.

Likewise, tech and science are migrating over to the Pacific Rim. Again it only makes sense. 1/2 the world is over there and there's economies of scale with so many people so close. Look at engineering feats, China is leading the world there. Look at the surnames of authors for articles published on Phys.org, a lot of Chinese researchers. There is much much more going on in China besides just fabrication.

San Fransisco and the American tech scene was a function of America being stable, accepting scientists coming from crappy circumstances, and having tons of money for the 20th century. Now the situations changed and the research and advancements, the STEM economy, is migrating back to where it naturally would be, where lots of educated people are, east Asia.

This is pure fantasy. The only large scale immigration into China over the past few decades was when 300,000 ethnic Chinese fled Vietnam into China during their short border war and the few North Koreans who manage to escape the Kim regime. And a handful of Africans. China only issues a couple thousand permanent residency permits per year.


The net migration rate for China is -0.252 per thousand population. Compared to previous years, this is actually an acceleration of people leaving China, not entering the country.
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Old 06-11-2021, 12:26 PM
 
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the West has no idea of what's going on in China. The demographic crisis in China is so over hyped. If CCP can implement the one child policy over the past 40 years, it can implement policies to encourage birth rates. There are so many policy tools that can be used. But China for now does not feel the need.
No country to-date has been able to substantially raise birth rates through government intervention. Do tell what the CCP will do when the need for more domestic births reaches a critical stage.
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Old 06-11-2021, 12:28 PM
 
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No country to-date has been able to substantially raise birth rates through government intervention. Do tell what the CCP will do when the need for more domestic births reaches a critical stage.

What's more, no country to-date has had such a disparity in gender, with there being 3 men to every 2 women. So in the years to come, China has an even larger demographic hole from which to extricate themselves.
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Old 06-11-2021, 02:29 PM
 
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And it's not a huge culture shock to integrate a Burmese person into a Chinese culture. Demographics are much less of a problem for China than many other countries, like Japan.
No offense but are you Asian or do you have an Asian spouse?

TL;DR - Asians are NOT interested in becoming a vassal of Beijing

Burmese could not be more different from Chinese. There are deep rooted tensions and historical conflicts spanning millenia...

If you mistake another Asian for Chinese it is as insulting as calling a Costa Rican Mexican...

Chinese Communism has blanched the soul of the Han people and other Asians want nothing to do with that.

Even in Hong Kong and Taiwan there are slight differences of Hakka and other ethnic groups under the "Chinese" umbrella that consider themselves culturally and linguistically different from Han.

China is not a monolith, as much as it tries to be. They have shared values as enterprising merchants, but beyond that could not be more different.

It is virtually impossible for the average Japanese to assimilate into Chinese society for example because the Ideals and communication style are just too different.
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Old 06-11-2021, 03:33 PM
 
Location: Metro Detroit, Michigan
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China has issues. The USA has issues. Both nations should worry about their own issues and trade/engage in business transactions when it's mutually beneficial. Outside of that, the two nations are on the opposite side of the globe and have no reason to concern themselves with that the other is doing, unless it directly effects the other.


The USA should do more to ensure it has adequate manufacturing/production capacity to service it's own needs, should the need arise. We got used to having cheap, easily exploitable labor at our disposal, ready and willing to do our work cheaper than we would care to pay our lowliest members of society to do. That won't last forever. It may not even last much longer. You can't blame China for our complacency. We did that ourselves, and China built their post modern civilization on the ashes of our crumbling/worn out manufacturing base.


Could you even entice America's young people to do this type of work, or would you have to bus people in from south of the border to do it for us? They would do it for a price most Americans would refuse to pay. American consumers would go without before paying livable wages for the work/opportunities we discarded.
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Old 06-11-2021, 03:37 PM
 
Location: Wylie, Texas
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China started allowing couples to have two children almost a decade ago and birth rates have actually dropped since that time. In fact, there's evidence that China--long known for its fraudulent economic numbers--is actually cooking the books on its birthrates, too.



https://www.scmp.com/comment/opinion...-inflated-hide


China is a house of cards. Overleveraged, out of people, and corrupt.
One thing that has become clear over decades when it comes to population control...it's much easier to restrict the birth rate through policy than it is to increase it. Singapore also had policies that encouraged people to have fewer kids back in the 60s and 70s, and it worked like a charm. Fast forward to today, faced with a shrinking native population, the government there is now offering all kinds of incentives to get people to have more kids, but no dice. I think Japan had a similar experience and is also now aging out and losing population.

So based on that, I dont think China will be able to reverse its decreasing population.
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Old 06-11-2021, 03:41 PM
 
Location: Wylie, Texas
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First thing to understand is China's history. The country has not invaded another countries sovereign territory except where it was concerned with an invasion into it's own territory (Korea and Kashmire). They have a better track record than Europe or US in non-intervention on a global scale, and that speaks more than whatever the US pundits say. Dominance will not be by millitary force, it's the US doing the sabre rattling there.

From an economic perspective, they have their hands tied on a number of perspectives, like oil supply or resources, but they have some trump cards in their sleeve, like supply chain control, to counterbalance. China's focus continue to remain at domestic long term investment development rather than foreign control, in contrast to the US with lagging infrastructure yet ballooned foreign involvement costs. So I think we can have a China that's rich and the biggest player on the block in 2100 and still have a rich and independent US.

For the Chinese people themselves, street view some of the smaller under the radar cities, they are pretty nice. They don't have it bad. There's no homeless people, and cities are noticably cleaner at street level than US cities. They didn't novedive like all big cities in the US did this year. The architecture is more unique and inspired. Every city of size over a million I believe will be connected by a country wide high speed rail system in the coming decades. It's highly probably that there won't be autonomous driving in the next 2 decades. Despite pollution (which they are cleaning up), it's still the most beautiful country on earth from their own little tropical island of Hainan, to millions of acres of appealing subtropical mountains to peaks in the west that smash anything in North America.

Really, the US needs to bite the bullet and actually pay up to bring it's manufacturing and production back to North America. It's better for both if we aren't so critically entwined in each others business.
You obviously have not heard of China's Belt and Road Initiative. They very much do care about foreign control. You should read up on it. The Chinese are a pretty ruthless and nasty bunch when it comes to foreign domination.
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Old 06-11-2021, 06:16 PM
 
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You obviously have not heard of China's Belt and Road Initiative. They very much do care about foreign control. You should read up on it. The Chinese are a pretty ruthless and nasty bunch when it comes to foreign domination.
They are doing what the other G-7 economies have been doing for a long time, neo-colonialism. Instead of projects heavily skewed to military procurement, China's overseas development is mostly commercial. The infrastructure loans generally benefit the foreign corporations who need the upgrades to make the projects profitable and impose a burden on the governments receiving 'aid'. The local laws are often changed to allow the foreign companies to use day laborers from other countries, pay little or no local taxes, and take the profits out of the country without paying taxes, all the while forcing the governments to take on onerous debt. That is one way to build 'influence' by making those government dependent on rolling over the loans.

Confessions of an Economic Hit Man

When they say that China is expanding its influence, it has to do with cutting into the existing and potential
business interests of other governments.
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