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Two doctors have twin on my kid's soccer team. One of them works in the ICU at Evergreen Hospital in Kirkland, WA, where the first outbreak (nursing home) in the entire country first happened. As it turned out, they had been treating Covid for at least a couple days or weeks before it was formally acknowledged. The parent gave interviews on national TV for the first several months because of the incident.
In any case, along with my kid their twins mostly ignored the stay home order of the governor and went to the fields and trained alone or in small groups (3-4 kids) with their team mates. This is back when being seen on the playing fields was the same as holding a loaded gun to someone else. You were basically a murder. Additionally, those two doctors were some of the first to pull their kids out of the public school system and into private because the private schools adopted hybrid, in-person learning in September. My kid didn't get the opportunity until April. Guess which kids got better grades this last year? Also, they were the first to travel and then ditch the masks.
They are not stupid doctors. They are specialists in their respective fields. I've never sat down to talk with either of them. I just look at their behaviors and those behaviors tell me to that they aren't worried. They are younger, extremely energetic and physically active. My guess is that health diet and exercise (along with vaccines) is enough for the current situation (flu, common cold and current Covid variants).
PPE works and is proven to work. If it didn't work, surgeons and dentists would never use it.
But it's like condoms, not everyone uses them right or consistently in their day-to-day lives the way a surgeon uses it at work. So as a result they only reduce spread, not stop it.
Two doctors have twin on my kid's soccer team. One of them works in the ICU at Evergreen Hospital in Kirkland, WA, where the first outbreak (nursing home) in the entire country first happened. As it turned out, they had been treating Covid for at least a couple days or weeks before it was formally acknowledged. The parent gave interviews on national TV for the first several months because of the incident.
In any case, along with my kid their twins mostly ignored the stay home order of the governor and went to the fields and trained alone or in small groups (3-4 kids) with their team mates. This is back when being seen on the playing fields was the same as holding a loaded gun to someone else. You were basically a murder. Additionally, those two doctors were some of the first to pull their kids out of the public school system and into private because the private schools adopted hybrid, in-person learning in September. My kid didn't get the opportunity until April. Guess which kids got better grades this last year? Also, they were the first to travel and then ditch the masks.
They are not stupid doctors. They are specialists in their respective fields. I've never sat down to talk with either of them. I just look at their behaviors and those behaviors tell me to that they aren't worried. They are younger, extremely energetic and physically active. My guess is that health diet and exercise (along with vaccines) is enough for the current situation (flu, common cold and current Covid variants).
Understood and I respect the choices you friends have made. However, my son and his wife make the rules vis a vis our grandson. I have spoken with each in depth about covid, their case is convincing to me and my wife.
PPE works and is proven to work. If it didn't work, surgeons and dentists would never use it.
But it's like condoms, not everyone uses them right or consistently in their day-to-day lives the way a surgeon uses it at work. So as a result they only reduce spread, not stop it.
I’m assuming they wear PPE at work. I can’t confirm. I only see them at soccer stuff.
PPE works and is proven to work. If it didn't work, surgeons and dentists would never use it.
But it's like condoms, not everyone uses them right or consistently in their day-to-day lives the way a surgeon uses it at work. So as a result they only reduce spread, not stop it.
Part of it is that people don't have access to many medical grade papers. I mean with the N-95s, stock was never really at a good level to really use them, even for the medical community. Many had to bake the masks to sanitize them when stock dried up in March/April last year. I did too when I first went full-time back at work when I had one lone N-95 mask I even reused KN-95s the same way until I saw that they would go greenish-blue after two/three uses.
The bigger problem I saw was how masks would fog up, which meant you didn't pinch correctly. However, you only noticed this if you wore glasses. I cannot tell you how many people would have that and wouldn't have known because they don't wear glasses or only use sunglasses.
Simple second and third party logic against how vaccines work.
My grandson is too young to be vaccinated.
My wife, my son, his wife/the baby's mom, and myself have all been vaccinated. Still though vaccinated people sometimes catch the disease and pass it one to others....my wife and I are around the baby often. Wearing masks, reasonable distancing ect. minimizes to a degree our chances of catching the disease.
Also some evidence seems to indicate that babies in some cases may well suffer long term damage from covid.
ETA - before someone chimes in about masks not protecting the wearer...........my son was around/treated hundreds of mega-sick and dying covid patients. He didn't catch covid nor did anyone in either service he worked.....but all wore masks and face shields.
"Second and third party logic against how vaccines work"? This could use some clarification.
I do understand your (or their) concern about essentially becoming unwitting carriers of Covid, as remote as that possibility may be now that you've explained the purpose is to reduce the extremely rare chance of transmission to your grandson.
"I think the preponderance of the evidence supports the fact that vaccinated individuals are not able to spread the virus."
Such behavior though raises the question of what other extraordinary precautions you will be undertaking to avoid exposing your grandchild to possible sources of other viral and bacterial disease going forward.
The paragraph you added is simply anecdotal and does nothing to bolster any article or stance.
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"Second and third party logic against how vaccines work"? This could use some clarification.
I do understand your (or their) concern about essentially becoming unwitting carriers of Covid, as remote as that possibility may be now that you've explained the purpose is to reduce the extremely rare chance of transmission to your grandson.
"I think the preponderance of the evidence supports the fact that vaccinated individuals are not able to spread the virus."
Such behavior though raises the question of what other extraordinary precautions you will be undertaking to avoid exposing your grandchild to possible sources of other viral and bacterial disease going forward.
The paragraph you added is simply anecdotal and does nothing to bolster any article or stance.
Breakthrough cases happen.......vaccinated people catch covid at some unknown rate. Breakthrough people seem to carry less viral load but not a de minimus viral load so far as a we know.
My son being around hundreds of hospitalized and many dying covid patients - he volunteered in NYC when things were falling apart - and not suffering covid is an anecdote but it's more valuable than you seem to think. Between NYC and San Antonio he worked dozens of covid ward shifts it makes near zero sense that he avoided covid by happenstance.
I'd like to see if the author linked still feels so strongly months later. A couple claims are wrong. Chiefly we flat out know that vaccinated people can catch covid - heck we knew that from the original trial groups. US common vaccines have been amazingly effective, however, they do not stop symptomatic covid either.
Taxes should be as high as needed to provide the services society has reached consensus on providing.
My feeling is the should be higher on the top brackets but not that high. 1990s levels. We were doing pretty well then. We actually had a surplus. College was affordable. Schools were working alright. Inflation was low. There were lots of good jobs. We didn't spendtrillions on military adventures that do nothing. The internet was atill new and it hadn't gotten nasty yet. People were less racist. We didn't have people shooting into crowds at the grocery store or school every month.
Through it all, rich people were still rich and got richer.
After 9/11 the world went to crap and it hasn't gotten better, it's gotten worse. The internet got more mature and people got more nasty. We spend trillions on God knows what and still din't have universal health care. No one seemed to give a crap when 600k of our people died from a plague; quite the opposite, they melted down and threatened to shoot retail workers for asking them to wear a mask. WTF.
No - taxes should be as low as possible and the services should be tailored to the budget. Where do you get the idea that there is a consensus on services to be provided - it takes only a few in congress to get approved. Very few Americans approve of some of the services currently being provided.
As far as "Your feelings" about the 1990s - they are impressions instead of reality - many of the reasons that there was a surplus is that services were much more limited and no one was trying to force a snowflake, woke view on the majority.
Breakthrough cases happen.......vaccinated people catch covid at some unknown rate. Breakthrough people seem to carry less viral load but not a de minimus viral load so far as a we know.
My son being around hundreds of hospitalized and many dying covid patients - he volunteered in NYC when things were falling apart - and not suffering covid is an anecdote but it's more valuable than you seem to think. Between NYC and San Antonio he worked dozens of covid ward shifts it makes near zero sense that he avoided covid by happenstance.
I'd like to see if the author linked still feels so strongly months later. A couple claims are wrong. Chiefly we flat out know that vaccinated people can catch covid - heck we knew that from the original trial groups. US common vaccines have been amazingly effective, however, they do not stop symptomatic covid either.
No one has ever "flat out" claimed a 100% effectiveness for any Covid-19 vaccine by any measure. Not even anecdotally.
No one has ever "flat out" claimed a 100% effectiveness for any Covid-19 vaccine by any measure. Not even anecdotally.
This was in your linked bit and both claims are wrong, I guess one could claim the second claim isn't technically wrong but instead overstatement. As the guy offered no softening comments "stop" means 100% effective.
"The emerging data confirms what many of us thought would be the case—that not only do the vaccines stop symptomatic COVID, but they also make it highly unlikely that someone can even be infected at all."
Per trial info. the J&J vaccine is ~85% effective against severe disease and worse. That does jibe at all with the second statement.
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Also, they were the first to travel and then ditch the masks. 
