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And what about women who aren’t working? Why does nobody have a problem with them?
yep, a man works and the woman stays home she's a home maker, salt of the earth etc etc a woman works and the guy stay's home he is a lazy SOB who is taking advantage of his wife/girlfriend, hardly seems fair
TBH, even that is not bad. America has a very independent and an ideology that honors individualism when most of the other world is more inclusive.
For example, there is nothing wrong with adult children living at home well into their adult years until they start their own families.
The tragedy is, that 18 year olds are cast out of a 4 BD 3500sqft home with just two adult left in it. Why? Why can't the young adult continue to live in the home and contribute to the mortgage if their is one? Two people benefit. The parents and the young adult. THe parents get extra income and the young adult pays lower rent and can save more for when the time does come to move out.
Also, you have grandparents living in completely separate homes and/or a retirement home. Again, you have two people living in a 5ksqft home, yet, two homes are being maintained unnecessarily.
Move grandma and grandpa in and rent their house out. Guess what? Now you have income from your children and the grandparents. The grandparents no longer have to maintain a mortgage or if their home is paid off, they don't have to maintain a house. Their house is generating income. And now you have even more income to put towards retirement.
But we are so accustomed to everyone having their own spaces. I understand the need for privacy. But at what cost? Kids still go to college and have roommates. And now more than ever, they are leaving college and still have roommates.
The alternative is you have parents who are entering into retirement having to prop up their kids who are saddled with student loans helping them maintain their own housing. ANd you have the grandparents getting older still trying to maintain a single family home. Why?
There are tons of homes with unused basements that can be converted into mini apartments. Some with backyards big enough for a tiny home.
Our kids will be welcome to stay with us until they are able enough to go out on their own without so much debt.
yep, a man works and the woman stays home she's a home maker, salt of the earth etc etc a woman works and the guy stay's home he is a lazy SOB who is taking advantage of his wife/girlfriend, hardly seems fair
It certainly isn't fair which is why I never opted to become a traditional breadwinner. I support only myself and expect everyone else to do the same.
TBH, even that is not bad. America has a very independent and an ideology that honors individualism when most of the other world is more inclusive.
For example, there is nothing wrong with adult children living at home well into their adult years until they start their own families.
The tragedy is, that 18 year olds are cast out of a 4 BD 3500sqft home with just two adult left in it. Why? Why can't the young adult continue to live in the home and contribute to the mortgage if their is one? Two people benefit. The parents and the young adult. THe parents get extra income and the young adult pays lower rent and can save more for when the time does come to move out.
Also, you have grandparents living in completely separate homes and/or a retirement home. Again, you have two people living in a 5ksqft home, yet, two homes are being maintained unnecessarily.
Move grandma and grandpa in and rent their house out. Guess what? Now you have income from your children and the grandparents. The grandparents no longer have to maintain a mortgage or if their home is paid off, they don't have to maintain a house. Their house is generating income. And now you have even more income to put towards retirement.
But we are so accustomed to everyone having their own spaces. I understand the need for privacy. But at what cost? Kids still go to college and have roommates. And now more than ever, they are leaving college and still have roommates.
The alternative is you have parents who are entering into retirement having to prop up their kids who are saddled with student loans helping them maintain their own housing. ANd you have the grandparents getting older still trying to maintain a single family home. Why?
There are tons of homes with unused basements that can be converted into mini apartments. Some with backyards big enough for a tiny home.
Our kids will be welcome to stay with us until they are able enough to go out on their own without so much debt.
Some grandparents are in a retirement home or assisted-living facility, because they need some kind of medical supervision, meal assistance or other support. It's very costly to pay for a home health aid. It's more economical to sell their house, and have them move into a smaller unit that may have good meal service, and some kind of medical staff or at least emergency staff, at hand. Some grandparents can't handle the stairs in homes where the bedrooms are on the 2nd floor, or where the basement potential apartment-conversion or rec room or whatever, also involves stairs.
Re: converting basements (or garages, or whatever) to mini-apartments: not allowed where prohibited by zoning.
You're also assuming that the grandparents get along with their adult children and grandchildren. That's not always the case.
These things may look like good ideas on paper, but what works economically can unravel when there are all-too-human personalities involved. Multi-generational households tend to work better in other cultures, for some reason.
"Eh".. if it works, then it works. It is a volatile system since if the working spouse dies, the other loses income. The nonworking spouse dies, then it's still a hardship if there was a lot of housework to be done... childrearing in particular, but also just cleaning up, cooking, other kitchen work. I've known single people who pretty much just don't do **** around the house. Living alone, they do have that option, whereas only vacuuming the house every 6 months or so would less likely fly with a family, or roommates.
Otherwise, the "living off their working woman" situations I know of are due to money. The husband _could_ work, but the wife makes so much money that his time is much more valuable being a househusband than doing another job that'll end up adding a smaller extra fraction of income. For one case, both were working, but when the wife got a PhD, she alone made more money vs. when they both were with Masters degrees.
And what about couples where the husband does all of the work and the wife does not work?
yep, a man works and the woman stays home she's a home maker, salt of the earth etc etc a woman works and the guy stay's home he is a lazy SOB who is taking advantage of his wife/girlfriend, hardly seems fair
And I don't understand why so many men, including on this forum, just accept those double standards.
Living overseas for many years I've met many American men who have resigned from American society entirely. They keep a low profile and the U.S. news media largely ignore them but there numbers are growing. Once Democratskies criminalize wealth the "great resignation" should turn into a flood.
Living overseas for many years I've met many American men who have resigned from American society entirely. They keep a low profile and the U.S. news media largely ignore them but there numbers are growing. Once Democratskies criminalize wealth the "great resignation" should turn into a flood.
The top tax rate in the US used to be 90% (applicable to only a small percent of people), and around 60-65% for doctors, lawyers, and others generally considered upper-middle class. This was under both Republican and Dem Presidents (and Congresses). Nobody ran away to Europe, Latin America, or anywhere else. And back then, the country had a solid and expanding infrastructure, was building a vast highway system and communications infrastructure (people didn't used to have their own private phone lines, or phones at all), medical and science R & D were well-funded, college tuition was within reach of people who worked their way through school, and there was college scholarship and grant money for those who needed a boost, as well as low-interest federal college loans. Public universities had state support, so tuitions didn't skyrocket.
I could go on, with what the tax money provided. But you get the idea.
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It certainly isn't fair which is why I never opted to become a traditional breadwinner. I support only myself and expect everyone else to do the same.
