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Old 07-22-2022, 06:48 PM
 
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OP, I get your point.

Babies are made whether we want it or not. We can prepare ourselves with birth control methods but it still happens.
You and the other 4 or 5 people that keep implying that in this discussion.....I"M NOT BUYING IT AT ALL. Not in this day and age when multiple safe methods of BC with better than 99% effectiveness are available at a fraction of the cost of what they once were.

You guys needs to stop being so misleading by implying that "kids just happen" when you know darn well that that is an absolute fallacy. 99.9% of the time they happened because couples were in an invulnerable state of mind.

Its Like saying I accidentally got in my car after drinking too much. Ummmm.......NO you didn't just accidentally drive drunk. That was a willful act that you knew could have life altering consequences.

I work in the transportation industry operating heavy machinery where safety is ones overwhelming top priority, and we have multiple layers of safety to minimize the Swiss cheese model when it comes to accidents. When accidents happen in my line of work (very rarely fortunately) it is 90% human error.

So don't give me this BS that babies just happen.

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Old 07-23-2022, 07:52 AM
 
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I think families who want children will have them and simply will adjust their spending due to inflation. If they already have a home and vehicles, one more child won't necessarily incur any necessary changes in those big items.

Also along with inflation may come salary increases and if they've owned their homes awhile, no extra housing costs.

Our immediate family has continued to have children, a grandchild born in 2020, another in 2021, and 2 coming later this year.

We will continue to provide the future workforce and tax base.
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Old 07-23-2022, 07:59 AM
 
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It won't matter if infertility in both men and women continues to drop the way it has been the last 50 years.
How do you figure infertility rates are dropping? If anything it seems like more people need ivf. Are you saying. Before ivf infertile couples were out of luck and now they're not?
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Old 07-23-2022, 12:29 PM
 
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We will continue to provide the future workforce and tax base.
Somehow I doubt that's why people have kids. They want them for whatever reasons but it's hardly altruistic. Adjusting immigration quotas and levels would work a whole lot better.
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Old 07-23-2022, 12:40 PM
 
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It won't matter if infertility in both men and women continues to drop the way it has been the last 50 years.
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How do you figure infertility rates are dropping? If anything it seems like more people need ivf. Are you saying. Before ivf infertile couples were out of luck and now they're not?
Reproductive Problems in Both Men and Women Are Rising at an Alarming Rate

"This “1 percent effect” includes the rates of declining sperm counts, decreasing testosterone levels and increasing rates of testicular cancer, as well as a rise in the prevalence of erectile dysfunction. On the female side of the equation, miscarriage rates are also increasing by about 1 percent per year in the U.S., and so is the rate of gestational surrogacy. Meanwhile, the total fertility rate worldwide has dropped by nearly 1 percent per year from 1960 to 2018.
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This cluster of related reproductive problems—for both men and women—is presenting huge challenges to the world’s population."
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Old 07-23-2022, 12:41 PM
 
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I think "infertility rates dropping" was a misspeak, as the above poster clarifies.

But the "huge challenges" to the world's population are the billions iiving in ghastly squirming poverty.
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Old 07-23-2022, 12:43 PM
 
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We will continue to provide the future workforce and tax base.
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Somehow I doubt that's why people have kids. They want them for whatever reasons but it's hardly altruistic. Adjusting immigration quotas and levels would work a whole lot better.
Only for a time. The immigration quotas is the reason the u.s. isn't effected economically the same as other countries. However, U.S. Population Grew 0.1% in 2021, Slowest Rate Since Founding of the Nation
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Old 07-23-2022, 01:05 PM
 
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The U.S. is full. No one has kids because "let's go upstairs, honey, Social Security needs more workers." If we need more people, there are plenty of people to choose from.
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Old 07-23-2022, 01:27 PM
 
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I think "infertility rates dropping" was a misspeak, as the above poster clarifies.

But the "huge challenges" to the world's population are the billions iiving in ghastly squirming poverty.
Population and Poverty: New Views on an Old Controversy

First published online: March 1, 2002

"Policymakers often ask how high fertility and related demographic variables affect and are affected by poverty. The popular view in the 1960s and 1970s—that fertility decline would slow population growth in developing countries and thus reduce poverty—came in for a great deal of criticism in the 1980s, and by the 1990s, it was no longer in vogue. The alternative perspective that emerged was that demographic considerations are largely irrelevant to poverty reduction."

It also speaks of a 'window of opportunity' however, that too shall pass.
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The U.S. is full. No one has kids because "let's go upstairs, honey, Social Security needs more workers." If we need more people, there are plenty of people to choose from.
It's most unfortunate that the programs the government put into place, they did so on that old view, the children are to take care of their parents. imo, it should be the other way around. [immigration dependency is a band aid]

There is a thread in the great debates forum: The Shrinking Global population.. it's a good read for those interested.
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Old 07-23-2022, 01:28 PM
 
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There is a thread in the great debates forum: The Shrinking Global population.. it's a good read for those interested.

Thank you for the suggestion. I studied International Public Health (including demographics) in grad school and am always open to a cogent discussion or article.
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