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Old 01-23-2023, 11:52 AM
 
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A general rule of thumb, only. It much more complex than that, and has been determine by the NBER's Business Cycle Dating Committee for as long as I've been alive. It hasn't changed.
Don’t let facts ruin his good storyline
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Old 01-23-2023, 04:05 PM
 
Location: Oregon, formerly Texas
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It isn’t the actual way it works. Google it. It never has been just 2 quarters

The NBER's definition of a recession takes into account monthly indicators like employment, personal income, and industrial production along with quarterly GDP growth, and two consecutive quarters of negative GDP growth often, but not always, correspond with an official recession.)


We have never been in a recession with practically full employment
And all those #s look good except for inflation. If anything we look like we might be in a situation like the 1960s when unemployment was too low. That caused inflation.
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Old 01-23-2023, 04:09 PM
 
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Could be , but we are not in a recession yet just because we had the two negative quarters
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Old 01-27-2023, 09:37 AM
 
Location: Orange County, CA
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IBM is slashing 3,900 workers, but the layoff wave has expanded past tech as bellwethers Dow and 3M announce job cuts.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/comp...r%20in%202023.
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Old 01-27-2023, 02:20 PM
 
Location: Oregon, formerly Texas
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Yet another bank says "Boogedy boo! A recession is coming!"

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BofA warns that the US economy will begin to lose 175,000 jobs per month in Q1 of 2023, expects a ‘harder landing’ rather than a softer one — here’s why https://www.yahoo.com/now/bofa-warns...-sh&soc_trk=ma

The latest jobs report shows that the U.S. labor market is in decent shape, but Bank of America sees trouble looming in the distance.

In December 2022, total nonfarm payroll employment rose by 223,000, beating economists’ expectation of a 200,000 increase. It also means that America’s job growth is heading in the right direction.

Bank of America, however, expects nonfarm payroll gains to turn negative this year. During the first quarter of 2023, the bank projects that the U.S. will be losing roughly 175,000 jobs a month.

And it’s not just the labor market that’s going to take a hit.

“We are looking for a recession to begin in the first half of next year,” Bank of America’s head of U.S. economics Michael Gapen told CNN last October.

“The premise is a harder landing rather than a softer one.”
They expect a complete reversal of the labor market and their prediction is based on "reasons," mainly the interest rate expected to go to 4.6%. The BofA economist thinks that will make the u/e rate go up to around 5%. Based on what???

We have been waiting on this recession for almost 2 years now. Don't get me wrong, I welcome it. Anything that brings down housing prices is good in my book. But I am not confident a recession is coming at all.
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Old 01-27-2023, 02:28 PM
 
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Many Corporations can offer bonds to get financing …rates have and are coming down on bonds which is why the last 90 days bonds are rallying.

The long bond is up 12% and intermediate term treasuries are up 6%
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So rates have fallen
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Old 02-03-2023, 07:14 AM
 
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IBM is slashing 3,900 workers, but the layoff wave has expanded past tech as bellwethers Dow and 3M announce job cuts.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/comp...r%20in%202023.
So much for you and others wringing their hands about Dow, 3M and some tech company layoffs. The January jobs report was released a half hour ago and the labor market shattered expectations in January, as the economy added 517,000 jobs, despite those layoffs. The expectation had been only 189,000 jobs added last month.
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Old 02-03-2023, 07:20 AM
 
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We are short workers in most areas of the economy.

The chamber of commerce said if every unemployed person took a job we would still have 4 million unfilled jobs .

So many over 55 workers left the work force since Covid
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Old 02-03-2023, 08:38 AM
 
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We are short workers in most areas of the economy.

The chamber of commerce said if every unemployed person took a job we would still have 4 million unfilled jobs .

So many over 55 workers left the work force since Covid

Yet new numbers are stating unemployment lowest since Jimi Hendrix played at Woodstock.
Isn't raising rates supposed to increase this figure?.
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Old 02-03-2023, 09:06 AM
 
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Yet new numbers are stating unemployment lowest since Jimi Hendrix played at Woodstock.
Isn't raising rates supposed to increase this figure?.
It can take years for rate changes to work its way through .

Unemployment is a lagging indicator…it is at the end of the food chain when money works it’s way in or out of the economy
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