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Oil news: peak, price, climate change, global warming, alternative fuels.

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Old 06-24-2008, 06:19 AM
 
Location: Charlotte, NC (in my mind)
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No reason why the U.S. can't survive $8 or $9 gas. Europe is doing it right now. Maybe it will force people to change their habits and force the government to invest in public transport. It maybe a silver lining that forces the wasteful practices such as long commutes, huge houses to be curbed.

That argument is so false. Liberals use it all the time, but they dont realize the US has a car culture they don't have in Europe. Unless you live in one of the big 3 cities in the US, you MUST have a car. No ifs, ands or buts. In Europe, you can generally get by without one and use the mass transit options they have available. Plus there most people live in the cities, here most people live in the suburbs.
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Old 06-24-2008, 07:27 AM
 
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NASA warming scientist: 'This is the last chance' - Yahoo! News (broken link)

I've long theorized and speculated something greater is behind this huge oil spike then supply and demand, which I do not think is the problem, yet at least. I think the powers that be, have come up with a plan, as painful as it might be, to force corporations to come up with different energy ideas due to global warming. Oil at $225-$250 a barrel, and gas at $8-$9 a gallon will do it. And that is where it is going.
So your hypothesis is that "the powers that be" are doing "something" to force up oil prices.

Ok, so who are the powers that be and what is the "something"? I curious to see this train of thought chugging down the tracks.
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Old 06-24-2008, 07:56 AM
 
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Gold is a good investment, no argument there. Why? Because gold is real and what backs all currency. However, as a simple mid-term investment strategy, most agree, gold has made its run. And when the dow hits 7000 as I'm predicting, gold or any other precious metal won't really matter. Survival at the barbarian level will.......

Isn't it the Bible that states....."a bag of gold won't buy a loaf of bread?"
Gold does not back the dollar anymore.
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Old 06-24-2008, 07:58 AM
 
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Plus there most people live in the cities, here most people live in the suburbs.
Not for long. Downtown areas are thriving and revitalizing.


We llive across the river form manhattan and there are many families in our apt building who will not move out to the suburbs. In the town we live in you can walk to just about everything you need.
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Old 06-24-2008, 08:47 AM
 
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Not for long. Downtown areas are thriving and revitalizing.


We llive across the river form manhattan and there are many families in our apt building who will not move out to the suburbs. In the town we live in you can walk to just about everything you need.
NYC is not 'most American cities'. Here in MPLS/St. Paul, about 600k live in city limits and the other 2.4 mil. + live in the suburbs.
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Old 06-24-2008, 09:05 AM
 
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That argument is so false. Liberals use it all the time, but they dont realize the US has a car culture they don't have in Europe. Unless you live in one of the big 3 cities in the US, you MUST have a car. No ifs, ands or buts. In Europe, you can generally get by without one and use the mass transit options they have available. Plus there most people live in the cities, here most people live in the suburbs.
Not sure what is false with the original statement. I don't think oil will be $8-$9 anytime soon, but I still feel that people will adapt. It is also the choice of the Europeans to build a good network of commuter trains and regional network rather than expand the highway to 10 lanes. This provides the population with an alternative. There is no reason why the U.S. can't follow the Europeans in this respect. The car culture was created by the U.S. government by spending on roads rather than public transport. It doesn't mean it can't be changed if there's political will. If the government would spend more money to build better transportation systems, bike paths, etc. It will provide better alternatives for people and encourage people to live near where they work.

Most Europeans also live in suburbs. The difference is that there are much better commuter train networks so they don't need to drive.
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Old 06-24-2008, 11:32 AM
 
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They have extensive rail systems in Europe and Japan. They spur changes in land use around the rail stations which tends to cut down on car use.
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Old 06-24-2008, 04:30 PM
 
Location: Charlotte, NC (in my mind)
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Not for long. Downtown areas are thriving and revitalizing.


We llive across the river form manhattan and there are many families in our apt building who will not move out to the suburbs. In the town we live in you can walk to just about everything you need.
Thats New York, not most of America. Urban living and new urbanism is a growing niche market, usually affluent young professionals, but the VAST MAJORITY of Americans abhor inner city living and prefer suburban or exurban living and the car culture that goes with it.
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Old 06-24-2008, 08:32 PM
 
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What if the real reason the price of oil is being artificially run up is to force a cut in consumption world wide and to get people used to $200 oil? The powers that be know something is going to happen that will cause a cut in supply and higher prices. By artificially increasing prices now it will lessen the impact when the event happens, and therefore the public backlash and criticism world wide. If you have not guessed what the event is yet, it will happen by the end of the year, it will be the war in Iran.
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Old 06-24-2008, 10:49 PM
 
Location: Heartland Florida
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Thats New York, not most of America. Urban living and new urbanism is a growing niche market, usually affluent young professionals, but the VAST MAJORITY of Americans abhor inner city living and prefer suburban or exurban living and the car culture that goes with it.
Exactly. I sure do not want to live in an overcrowded, overpriced city like New York anytime soon! When financial services falter, nothing will remain to support those overpriced cities anyway.
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