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Old 06-27-2008, 07:35 AM
 
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I will let the future change the lives of Americans that can't afford to live in the burbs... unfortunately for you and many others, I can afford to live in the burbs and enjoy it very much... too bad for you and many others... even if gas hit $15 a gallon...
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Old 06-27-2008, 07:42 AM
 
Location: Sverige och USA
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And I've been to Europe, and I freaking hate it there. Little teeny apartments, little teeny cars, little teeny roads. There's nothing there to be happy about.
Just being a tourist in Europe will not show you real European life. The development patterns are a lot smarter than American ones. It is not all city with no suburbs. Europeans also live in suburbs. One huge difference is that it is not built with American zoning rules with a huge area of simply residential. You actually have a mixed with shops, small grocery stores within 5-10 minute walking distance even in the suburbs. Everything is walkable. It is much denser in terms of houses not having huge front yards, which is just for show. Also, houses tend to be smaller. There are bike paths everywhere so that it allows one to cycle. Gas is extremely expensive so the cars are few and far between. So, it is more pleasant to cycle or walk around.

Those who want big cars, big houses and big yards will just have to pay for that privilege.
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Old 06-27-2008, 07:54 AM
 
Location: San Antonio Texas
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Evil,
You sure picked the right name for your self.
I do believe you're right, entitlements are one of the largest draws on the economy,but you can't blame a dog for getting fat and having a thin coat. It's his leaders,the libs, who brought him inside when it was chilly and fed him too much when he begged.
it's not just "the libs" that have done this. george w promised every form of tax cut imaginable to the voting public, yet did not rein spending in to compensate. juan mccain is also promising the same tax cuts to the voting public in order to get the votes. i actually wouldn't mind paying taxes to support the country if i knew that the money was responsibly spent, which of course it's not.
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Old 06-27-2008, 08:21 AM
 
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I have been in the UK for a whole month... nothing is within walkable distance... They do have suburbs but everything is still packed close together BECAUSE there is not much buildable land as compared to here... look at all those countries, they are as small as some of our states... you pack in millions of people in a small state, you are going to get a bunch of sardine houses (its what I call them)... they pay MILLIONS of dollars for a 2000 sq foot house because there isn't enough land to build bigger homes... and there is a lot of demand for these suburban houses that cost millions of dollars in mortgages... They consider a 2000 sq feet house a mansion... they are also very envious of the fact that we can buy 4000 sq foot house for less than what they pay... houses inside the city are old, decreipted (because they were built a long time ago) and are a bit cheaper (because they are old)... there aren't as many cars? I guess you must of missed all the heavy traffic (and as a result, bad driving) over there... they have huge amounts of speeding cameras (for those that are not gas conscious, I guess) over there... one thing everyone noticed over there, more and MORE SUVs on the road (they are building bigger roads as a result). Development patterns are smarter??? They are building anywhere there is buildable land (something we have an abundance of)... from suburb to downtown London took me almost an hour and that was WITH speeding.... I knew people who lived 5 minutes from restaurants... what did they do? They drove 30 minutes to eat at another restaurant.. Its funny that you people think that the only place you should live is where it is close to work and the only place you should eat or shop at are close to your areas... The people in the UK are happy though because they know there isn't much land to use... To me it is similar to living in the city and paying $1500 for rent, $200 to park ONE car for $1700 a month just to live in the city, in a 500 square foot apartment... it saves them gas money... i rather OWN a house and pay $1200 for the mortgage and pay an extra $500 for gas (by the way, I don't spend nearly that much for gas a month)... no thanks... I keep by suburban home... and besides that, I OWN a home and a car to boot...
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Old 06-27-2008, 08:31 AM
 
Location: America
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I will let the future change the lives of Americans that can't afford to live in the burbs... unfortunately for you and many others, I can afford to live in the burbs and enjoy it very much... too bad for you and many others... even if gas hit $15 a gallon...
I think you have a unwarranted sense of self importance. No one cares where you live to be honest. Secondly, when people feel the need to say what they can and can't do, its generally not true. Lastly, time will change and heal all.
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Old 06-27-2008, 08:40 AM
 
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I think you have a unwarranted sense of self importance. No one cares where you live to be honest. Secondly, when people feel the need to say what they can and can't do, its generally not true. Lastly, time will change and heal all.
No one cares??? You must of miss the motherload of topics concerning McMansion, suburban homes, sprawl, etc etc.. apparently there are many people who do care where I live and apparently from your post, so do you... I am the one that is saying people here and there should NOT care where I live... if a suburban turns into a ghetto, so what?... there are ghettos forming everywhere in urban and suburban places, do you think suburbia should be "immune" to something that happens EVERYWHERE... I suppose there are people who want to add a "suburban" tax because they aren't able to live in suburbia themselves, to them I give the one finger salute and ask them to kindly stay out of my business..
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Old 06-27-2008, 09:00 AM
 
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Actually I believe Nouriel Roubini brought up a good point about the cost of oil rise and the possible revival of U.S. Manufacturing. Now due the the cost of fuel going up for transportation. It's going to get more an more expensive to ship products from other countries to the U.S. Eventually this rise in transportation costs will come to a point where companies that cater to a American consumer will find it more economical (even with really cheap labor abroad) to actually produce the product closer to that consumer than to ship a product thousands of miles away. I makes sense to me. Granted we do still have to take the cheap Mexican labor into consideration before we say that American manufacturing is going to make a big come back.

Also Roubini brought up and issue I really didn't want to hear but that I think is going to come true. That is that Dodd's and Franks bill in congress to bailout the mortgage market will/has to happen. His argument is that we can either nationalize the mortgage market and save undeserving soul from losing there homes. Or we can let the banks collapse. Now that sounds all well and good but the problem is that if the banks do collapse there will be so much panic that the government will nationalize the banks. Basically the government will bailout the banks in the end. It two bad choices on probably slightly worse than the other. I really really hate it but I think Roubini is right and we will see the Dodd/Frank bill be pushed through. Chalk one up to irresponsibility winning the day. God damn I hate this!
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Old 06-27-2008, 09:06 AM
 
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If we nationalize the banks be prepared to pay for mortgages based on what you make instead of your credit score... socialism loves to redistribute wealth..
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Old 06-27-2008, 09:14 AM
 
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You're leaving one minor equation out in your THEORY (and that is all it is) American ingenuity. If you think for one second that Americans and all it's mighty corporate appeal are going sit by and do nothing while fuel prices soar to $12-$15 per gallon, you are sadly mistaken. The suburbs are what "feed the beast" and how American's like and want to live. Corporate American and American ingenuity will find alternative methods for this lifestyle to be maintained and preserved in American.

Alas, when you add the high-cost of oil, the subprime-housing market, and the fact that we JUST DON'T HAVE THE TIME to create a real alternative to oil between now $300 oil, what you get is a perfect storm that will force people to change their ways. In the late 40s and 50s, the suburbs were born...in the early years of the 21st century, they will, for the most part, vanish. What rises usually also falls.

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My only suggestion, is that if your European lovin butt, desires to live in a little cardboard box and under a fake socialist umbrella, then immigrate there. We Americans will have none of it
When did I say I liked the European economic system? 40% income tax, are you crazy? I am just saying that in the area of housing, they did not make the mistake we did. Also, notice what I have been saying, the free-market will force people to go to what they can afford, not some government program. And what people can afford is to live in satellite cities, not the suburbian nightmere.
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Old 06-27-2008, 09:19 AM
 
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If we nationalize the banks be prepared to pay for mortgages based on what you make instead of your credit score... socialism loves to redistribute wealth..

I know dude. That why in the end we will save the sorry S.O.B.s in the mortgage market to keep that from happening. Either way it a raw deal for the responsible.
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