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Old 07-04-2008, 06:22 AM
 
Location: Ohio
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Its like they want us to go back to living in caves. They are even opposed to wind farms and solar panels in the desert. This week, a huge solar project was delayed 2 years due to environmental concerns. What do they suppose we do?
It doesn't matter, unless you can prove that birth control bills are made from solar or wind.

You got sucked into a classical fallacy called "equivocation." Oil is not energy in the US.

The US currently uses 20,689 barrels of oil per day.

Build 50,000 nuclear reactors, 100 Million wind mills and 1 Trillion solar panels and the end result is that Americans will still use 20,689 barrels of oil per day because oil is not energy in the US.

US electrical power comes from coal, hydro and nuclear energy.

Build your windmills and the only thing that will happen is that you'll have cheaper electricity while oil prices continue to rise.
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Old 07-04-2008, 10:16 AM
 
Location: Heartland Florida
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Just use coal to power your cars and replace coal powerplants with nuclear power.
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Old 07-04-2008, 10:23 AM
 
Location: America
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^^

yep and prepare for smog the likes of which you have never seen.
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Old 07-04-2008, 12:02 PM
 
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Not with coal gasification, very clean burning.

Gasification - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Less pollution than gasoline!
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Old 07-04-2008, 12:35 PM
 
Location: Charlotte, NC (in my mind)
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It doesn't matter, unless you can prove that birth control bills are made from solar or wind.

You got sucked into a classical fallacy called "equivocation." Oil is not energy in the US.

The US currently uses 20,689 barrels of oil per day.

Build 50,000 nuclear reactors, 100 Million wind mills and 1 Trillion solar panels and the end result is that Americans will still use 20,689 barrels of oil per day because oil is not energy in the US.

US electrical power comes from coal, hydro and nuclear energy.

Build your windmills and the only thing that will happen is that you'll have cheaper electricity while oil prices continue to rise.
Most of that 20 million barrels of oil per day is used in our cars. Electricity doesn't come from oil, but something is used to transport that coal to the power plant, and that is going to be oil.

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Not with coal gasification, very clean burning.

Gasification - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Less pollution than gasoline!
Obama is against that too. Its no wonder most young people are drinking the Obama kool-aid. He lives in an idealistic world, like most teenagers today do, NOT the real world.
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Old 07-04-2008, 12:56 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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Not with coal gasification, very clean burning.

Gasification - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Less pollution than gasoline!
Did you bother reading the article?

The Fischer-Tropsch Process produces diesel and synthetic oil. You cannot refine synthetic oil into gasoline or neodol for your birth control pills, or triethanolomine for your Tide or Gain or All liquid laundry detergent. You might as well through your microwave oven in the trash, since synthetic oil cannot produce the artificial colors and artificial flavors and artificial preservatives you need to make your ready-to-eat microwaveable foods palatable.

Did you also fail to notice that you need temperatures in excess of 1200* F for gasification? That's more than 6 times hotter than your gasoline combustion engine burns now.
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Old 07-04-2008, 01:54 PM
 
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Did you also fail to notice that you need temperatures in excess of 1200* F for gasification? That's more than 6 times hotter than your gasoline combustion engine burns now.
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Old 07-04-2008, 02:14 PM
 
Location: Heartland Florida
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Not true, I have tried wood, coal and even old tires in my home gasifier. It runs an engine cleanly and reliably on the spot. With new technology, gasification could be even more efficient. Lower temperatures are needed to gassify solids when using a mobile unit and not trying to produce gasoline or Diesel, just gasses to burn.
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Old 07-04-2008, 02:29 PM
 
Location: America
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Not with coal gasification, very clean burning.

Gasification - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Less pollution than gasoline!
didn't know that. I stand corrected. Thank you for the info
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