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Old 06-28-2008, 09:46 PM
 
Location: America
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Do most people really believe its over for America? After surviving the Civil War, the Great Depression, and 2 world wars, is this the end of our country?
Not, end of America, dissolved into anarchy etc.

But end of the America we grew up knowing. No more unilateral superpower. No more calling the shots. No more, everyone has a plasma and lives on credit. Those days are GONE, forever. We will still be a country, we will still have a government, BUT how our country looks and operates will be different, after all of this.

This is a shift in ages. Just like a shift to say the industrial age, well we will see another huge shift. Things will be different and we Americans are going to have to make some huge and very painful adjustments.
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Old 06-29-2008, 09:29 AM
 
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Not, end of America, dissolved into anarchy etc.

But end of the America we grew up knowing. No more unilateral superpower. No more calling the shots. No more, everyone has a plasma and lives on credit. Those days are GONE, forever. We will still be a country, we will still have a government, BUT how our country looks and operates will be different, after all of this.

This is a shift in ages. Just like a shift to say the industrial age, well we will see another huge shift. Things will be different and we Americans are going to have to make some huge and very painful adjustments.
Good post. Unless Americans are willing to make some very painful sacrifices, especially in their living standards, we are going to sink into relative irrelevancy in the world, just as Great Britain did after the Second World War. We have already ceded much of our economic influence to others; resource scarcity will make it ever more difficult for us to project our military influence (other than if we are willing to resort to first-strike nuclear options--a scary thought in itself). What COULD crater the US is our own population's toxic combination of greed, hedonism, and sense of entitlement. Those are what have led us to the brink of the disaster we now face. Though I loathe the Communists, they may be proven right in their assertion that when the greed of Americans went unchecked, it would ultimately lead the US to destroy itself from within.
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Old 06-29-2008, 10:03 AM
 
Location: Heartland Florida
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I for one hope that enough people get angry enough to DEMAND an honest monetary system. To reverse the damage Government needs to be cut by 75% and we need to stop relying on debt. We need to secure energy, food production and other necessities. Having all means of production domestically would increase national security more than any foreign wars. But in order to get back in the game the FED has to go, or be restructured to be a measure of true wealth. The biggest benefit would be no more bubbles. There is nothing more destructive to the nation than rising real estate "values".
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Old 06-29-2008, 10:22 AM
 
Location: America
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I for one hope that enough people get angry enough to DEMAND an honest monetary system. To reverse the damage Government needs to be cut by 75% and we need to stop relying on debt. We need to secure energy, food production and other necessities. Having all means of production domestically would increase national security more than any foreign wars. But in order to get back in the game the FED has to go, or be restructured to be a measure of true wealth. The biggest benefit would be no more bubbles. There is nothing more destructive to the nation than rising real estate "values".
I agree Eric Janzen and Dr. Hudson on this issue. I think we will see either a third political party come about or a restructuring of the democratic party. So much so that it will look more like UK's parties or Canada political parties.

I think people will suffer so much so that all this "pull yourself up by the boot straps" non sense will stop and humanism will come back to America. Im no doomsdayer but, its gonna be ugly.
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Old 06-29-2008, 11:39 AM
 
Location: Georgia, on the Florida line, right above Tallahassee
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"It's going to be staggering," said Northboro Oil Co. owner Sandra Farrell in telephone interview with The Associated Press. "It's going to be a real problem going into this winter for everyone unless something changes."


Northeast braces for home heating oil increases - Boston.com (http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2008/06/28/northeast_braces_for_home_heating_oil_increases/ - broken link)
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Old 06-29-2008, 11:47 AM
 
Location: Heartland Florida
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"It's going to be staggering," said Northboro Oil Co. owner Sandra Farrell in telephone interview with The Associated Press. "It's going to be a real problem going into this winter for everyone unless something changes."


Northeast braces for home heating oil increases - Boston.com (http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2008/06/28/northeast_braces_for_home_heating_oil_increases/ - broken link)
It is no surprise that more debt is seen as a solution to this. On a practical side a friend who moved from Florida to Minnesota has sucessfully heated his home to his family's comfort without oil, just old tires, tree cuttings and construction debris. Even waste tires work well. Believe it or not solar energy assists this system. Rural residents will be less affected by this aspect of it.
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Old 06-29-2008, 11:53 AM
 
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this week the european central bank is set to raise interest rates. i expect we will see the dollar fall further against the euro and imo gas will be $170 before the fall.

the US economy is in freefall and the politicians are just paying lip service
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Old 06-29-2008, 12:29 PM
 
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If you read my previous posts, I've been screaming depression all along, while everyone else seems to just think this will be another 2000 recession. Not so. EVERYTHING is weighing on the economy, not just oil. Go ahead and pick anything and it's bad. Of course you could argue energy is doing well, but that is half the problem. Speculators in that area, make a few bucks while the rest of society plumets into the block hole.

Dow 7000.... Economy comes to a complete stand still, followed by a world wide depression. Unless we change our direction immediately, if it is not too late already

it used to be that if america sneezes the rest of the world catches cold. that is NOT the case anymore
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Old 06-29-2008, 12:45 PM
 
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Do most people really believe its over for America? After surviving the Civil War, the Great Depression, and 2 world wars, is this the end of our country?
this is going to be worse than the great depression. we'd be there already if it wasn't for amex, visa and mastercard.
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Old 06-29-2008, 12:50 PM
 
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Though I loathe the Communists, they may be proven right in their assertion that when the greed of Americans went unchecked, it would ultimately lead the US to destroy itself from within.
the annoying thing about all of this is every left wing communist/ socialist pointing to the shortcomings of the unregulated "free market". the sad reality is that there never was a free market just one the was marketed as such
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