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Old 08-21-2008, 01:50 PM
 
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don't think it was a fad. it's business is only dropping because there's less expendable income around.
nevertheless the more of them closing the happier i get. gives the little guy a chance

I am the little guy, I work for starbucks...you can hate the company all you want but there are a lot of people who are going to suffer long before Schultz feels a thing. Maybe next time people start to cheer because starbucks is closing they'll remember that there are blue collar workers who pay for everything with starbucks wages. I'm not big on giant corporations either and will someday have my own coffee shop(i hope)but i'm in college and can't afford to not work...that is why I don't cheer when I hear about stores closing. Everyone is losing jobs, why is it something to cheer about.

Don't act so cold and ignorant.
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Old 08-21-2008, 01:59 PM
 
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I am really sad to read that so many people want starbucks to fail. Like it or not, there are people who are paying the bills with a job at starbucks, I am one of them. I am happy to have a job when so many are losing their jobs, so think about the people at the bottom, not the CEOs at the top.

Also, I work in a small town and we are SO busy, we are #1 in our state and district time and time again, so don't be so quick to say that the smaller towns should close, maybe generally speaking but...
1) You work in a small town with a low cost of living. If you worked in say...New York and made $12/hour at Starbucks....you'd starve to death. Cost of living answers the salary question.

2) People want starbucks to fail because many have been trained to hate anything corporate because they are run by greedy republicans blah blah blah. These are people that generally have never stopped to think about where taxes come from (profits and employees) to pay for schools etc. nor where thier parents pension fund might be invested or that making a profit isn't actually a bad thing. What's really funny is that they hate companies for making profits and then LOVE it when they LOSE money which tells you the people are probably too political or just have no clue about economics.
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Old 08-21-2008, 05:13 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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Don't act so cold and ignorant.
I wasn't aware I had some moral, legal or ethical obligation to support blue-collar workers by patronizing StarSucks.

It's a service. It produces nothing of value. It only serves to shuffle money from here to there.
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Old 08-21-2008, 05:19 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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2) People want starbucks to fail because many have been trained to hate anything corporate because they are run by greedy republicans blah blah blah.
No, that is not the reason. I support Sitwell's, but not StarSucks. My money goes to Susan, not some guy in a suit. She gives the money back to the community in the form of taxes, because she lives down the road from me, and not in some $4.7 Million mansion in Beverly Hills.

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These are people that generally have never stopped to think about where taxes come from (profits and employees) to pay for schools etc. nor where thier parents pension fund might be invested or that making a profit isn't actually a bad thing. What's really funny is that they hate companies for making profits and then LOVE it when they LOSE money which tells you the people are probably too political or just have no clue about economics.
That money can just as easily and more efficiently come from private corporations, LLCs and LLPs.

I would rather purchase something for $3 made by a private corporation down the road whose CEO makes $450,000/year and whose employees receive $14/hour than pay $2 to a public corporation for the same item where a CEO who makes $42 Million/year and doesn't live in the community (and neither do the vast majority of shareholders who take a cut of the profits) and whose worker's receive $8/hour.
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Old 08-21-2008, 05:29 PM
 
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I am the little guy, I work for starbucks...you can hate the company all you want but there are a lot of people who are going to suffer long before Schultz feels a thing. Maybe next time people start to cheer because starbucks is closing they'll remember that there are blue collar workers who pay for everything with starbucks wages. I'm not big on giant corporations either and will someday have my own coffee shop(i hope)but i'm in college and can't afford to not work...that is why I don't cheer when I hear about stores closing. Everyone is losing jobs, why is it something to cheer about.

Don't act so cold and ignorant.
maybe one day when you do in fact own your own coffee shop you'll understand why i'm cheering!
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Old 08-21-2008, 09:27 PM
 
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No, that is not the reason. I support Sitwell's, but not StarSucks. My money goes to Susan, not some guy in a suit. She gives the money back to the community in the form of taxes, because she lives down the road from me, and not in some $4.7 Million mansion in Beverly Hills.



That money can just as easily and more efficiently come from private corporations, LLCs and LLPs.

I would rather purchase something for $3 made by a private corporation down the road whose CEO makes $450,000/year and whose employees receive $14/hour than pay $2 to a public corporation for the same item where a CEO who makes $42 Million/year and doesn't live in the community (and neither do the vast majority of shareholders who take a cut of the profits) and whose worker's receive $8/hour.
I have not been subject to a more dishonest representation of my post EVER. Congratulations. We were talking about the actually MAKING of a profit and not the merits of local business....which I support so I guess we agree there despite your best efforts.

Supporting your local business is great. I am now asking you for a source of your wage guessitmates....granted I expect to never hear from you again as I googled and never found them. Welcome to the business forums....where political pap gets smeared on the sidewalk like the dogs dinner.
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Old 08-21-2008, 09:52 PM
 
Location: Boise, ID
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2) People want starbucks to fail because many have been trained to hate anything corporate because they are run by greedy republicans blah blah blah. These are people that generally have never stopped to think about where taxes come from (profits and employees) to pay for schools etc. nor where thier parents pension fund might be invested or that making a profit isn't actually a bad thing. What's really funny is that they hate companies for making profits and then LOVE it when they LOSE money which tells you the people are probably too political or just have no clue about economics.
Don't you love how people claim to be supporters of business until a business becomes too successful (in their opinion) and then they turn on it?

Well stated, Mathguy.
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Old 08-21-2008, 09:59 PM
 
Location: Chicago
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maybe one day when you do in fact own your own coffee shop you'll understand why i'm cheering!
And then when her coffee shop turns into two shops, then 12 shops, then 250 shops, then 2,000 shops, she can count on you to hope she gets smacked down for getting too big for her britches.
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Old 08-22-2008, 02:52 AM
 
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And then when her coffee shop turns into two shops, then 12 shops, then 250 shops, then 2,000 shops, she can count on you to hope she gets smacked down for getting too big for her britches.

don't want anyone to get smacked down, just rooting for the small guy. you're an intelligent individual drover, i really hope i don't have to explain the difference!
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Old 08-22-2008, 03:18 AM
 
Location: Chicago
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Right, just rooting for the small guy by cheering as several thousand of them lose their jobs. How thoughtful of you. And those small guys you're rooting for better not get too big or else you'll be there to root for their misfortune.
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