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Old 08-22-2008, 04:19 AM
 
Location: Los Angeles Area
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You know, I find the "small guy" doesn't do things nearly as well as the "big guy". I'm going to go to whatever business offers the best service/price combination, often that ends up being bigger business. I'm not going to go to a business that offers bad service just because they are local.
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Old 08-22-2008, 07:42 AM
 
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You know, I find the "small guy" doesn't do things nearly as well as the "big guy". I'm going to go to whatever business offers the best service/price combination, often that ends up being bigger business. I'm not going to go to a business that offers bad service just because they are local.
You hit the nail on the head. Most of these companies didn't get *big* by accident....they just served their customers better. Sometimes they get too big and then they suffer etc.

Seriously, god forbid that in this country you come up with something people like and are happy with...or a better way of doing things....and become successful. If so, you become rich and are therefore *bad* and don't care about workers etc.

Anyone that has read a bit of history knows that capitalism with controls and protections isn't perfect but it's better than socialism and pure capitalism which are both doomed in the long run. I'm shocked by all the neo-socialist anti-business types running around armed with strong opinions and no real knowledge.
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Old 08-22-2008, 12:15 PM
 
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You know, I find the "small guy" doesn't do things nearly as well as the "big guy". I'm going to go to whatever business offers the best service/price combination, often that ends up being bigger business. I'm not going to go to a business that offers bad service just because they are local.
I've had the opposite experience. I like buying from the small locally owned shop. Sometimes I pay a few buck more. But if I ask for a discount, I'll usually get it. The service is much better than the big boxes.

When it comes to coffee shops...I will always try to hit the locally owned shops. Their prices (in our area) are as much as 70cents less that the large coffee chains. I takes a couple minutes longer to get the product in my hands. But the coffee is better tasting.

Has anybody noticed Starbucks putting more foam in the lattes? The last few times I've been there, I have to ask for less/or no foam.

Is that a business plan, or just the person making the drink?
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Old 08-22-2008, 05:50 PM
 
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I've had the opposite experience. I like buying from the small locally owned shop
Thats cool, if you prefer the locally owned shops in your area then go to them. I will go to whatever shop offers the best service/price combination. If that happens to be a small local company than so be it.

Anyhow, all the companies that are big now started as small local companies. What makes them different is that they did things right and grew beyond their local economy. People complain endlessly about say Wal-Mart forcing the little guys out of business. So what though? Obviously, most people don't agree as they decided to shop at Wal-Mart instead of their local stores. When the cost on entry into a market is relatively low (and it is for retail stores) then you only get big by being good. It is only when the cost of entry is very high and/or something else prevents you from entering the market that you have to worry. But oddly people complain about a company like Intel much less than they do Wal-Mart, yet Intel has strong armed many people out of the industry and Wal-Mart has not.
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Old 08-22-2008, 05:59 PM
 
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1) You work in a small town with a low cost of living..
Actually I live in one of the most expensive areas of the country, our gas and the price of housing are just now almost down to what the rest of the country has been paying for the last 2 years....so before you assume. I realize it's not as expensive as living in NY but if I make less and pay less isn't it the same as making more and getting paid more?
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Old 08-22-2008, 06:01 PM
 
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I wasn't aware I had some moral, legal or ethical obligation to support blue-collar workers by patronizing StarSucks.

It's a service. It produces nothing of value. It only serves to shuffle money from here to there.
So then why do you find it so important to support smaller businesses and cheer when bigger companies fail? Seems to me that you are supporting blue collar workers, just not if they happen to work for a corporation.
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Old 08-22-2008, 06:02 PM
 
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Also, if it serves no value why do you find it valuable to discuss? Or are you just looking to inflate your ego?
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Old 08-22-2008, 06:04 PM
 
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And then when her coffee shop turns into two shops, then 12 shops, then 250 shops, then 2,000 shops, she can count on you to hope she gets smacked down for getting too big for her britches.
Thank goodness someone who finally sees what I'm getting at! Cheers Drover!
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Old 08-22-2008, 06:27 PM
 
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ok...I work for Starbucks and I'm wondering which one hires at $12/hr because I have been there for a year and they DO NOT hire and pay that much, especially starting wages. So...maybe check your facts on that one.
Is Starbucks cutting costs by putting less milk and more foam in my lattes?
Or does it depend on who's making the drink? For the last month the drinks have had allot more foam.
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Old 08-25-2008, 11:43 AM
 
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Actually I live in one of the most expensive areas of the country, our gas and the price of housing are just now almost down to what the rest of the country has been paying for the last 2 years....so before you assume. I realize it's not as expensive as living in NY but if I make less and pay less isn't it the same as making more and getting paid more?
I actually wasn't assuming you lived in a small town, mainly making the point about cost of living being a major component to wage differences.

The other is supply and demand. FOR EXAMPLE, College towns are notoriously low(er) paying for jobs like starbucks because there are a lot of people interested in some part-time stuff.
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