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Old 07-03-2008, 10:21 PM
 
Location: Boise, ID
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...if the perception is that Apple is more user-friendly (a perception since the 1980's), that's what will be shown in the market regardless of weather it is true or not.
Excellent post overall. I highlighted this from your post because it made me remember my early days in college using WordPerfect on a PC with the template above the function keys. Then I used a friend's (now my wife - but not because of the Mac! I'm not that fanatical!) Apple IIc with Word and a mouse and was astonished by how much easier it was. Regardless of what you think of Macs now, it is easy to see how the perception of being easier got started.
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Old 07-04-2008, 12:17 AM
 
Location: Los Angeles Area
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ah, so you dont know what closed environment means
Do you read, I quote "Or force OS X users to use only their selected hardware". That is closed hardware and it means noting. The only people who benefit from it are Apple as it allows them to fix prices. Every piece of important hardware is sourced outside of Apple from the same sources as Dell or any other PC maker, claiming because their hardware is closed therefore superior is ridiculous.

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No one writes off BMW, even though Chris Bangle's controversial styling is very pop/fad based. Most have the faith in its ability to innovate and deliver when sentiment changes.
Perhaps you didn't read the OP, but the the question isn't whether Apple is going to do well in general but rather how is it going to do during a recession. Apple like BMW is based on a particular business model, so any innovation has to be in the framework of their business. Without completely changing the way they do business (and marketing) Apple can't start putting out cheapo computers/devices, much like BWM can't start putting out $20k cars. In both cases it would completely destroy years of branding. Anyhow, during recessions people start to move to so called "inferior goods" and when this happens luxury/premium brands start to decline. Even though people may think the Mac is the premium good, they are going to buy the inferior good because "times are bad". If this recession gets bad a number of premium brands will hit the dust, will Apple be one of them? We'll see.
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Old 07-04-2008, 02:42 AM
 
Location: USA
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I <3 Microsoft & have a Zune 8GB.

I'm a gamer, so I'll stick with Microsoft. Vista however can be a bit of a pain. I can only hope that Windows 7 will be rock-steady like XP is.
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Old 07-04-2008, 06:34 AM
 
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I got a Macbook two years ago and love it! The Mac operating system is so much more stable and easier to use. And for now, you really don't have to worry about viruses.

I have a Gateway Desktop that is getting older, am I'm thinking about replacing it with an iMac.
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Old 07-04-2008, 07:23 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Do you read, I quote "Or force OS X users to use only their selected hardware". That is closed hardware and it means noting. The only people who benefit from it are Apple as it allows them to fix prices. Every piece of important hardware is sourced outside of Apple from the same sources as Dell or any other PC maker, claiming because their hardware is closed therefore superior is ridiculous.
EFI isn't closed hardware. Geeze..IA64 used that first and Apple decided to use it instead of BIOS which is older and very simplistic.
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Old 07-04-2008, 07:25 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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I got a Macbook two years ago and love it! The Mac operating system is so much more stable and easier to use. And for now, you really don't have to worry about viruses.

I have a Gateway Desktop that is getting older, am I'm thinking about replacing it with an iMac.
The iMac is really nice. I got one for my son and the one-piece deal is so nice. No more cables all over the place.
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Old 07-04-2008, 09:57 AM
 
Location: America
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Do you read, I quote "Or force OS X users to use only their selected hardware". That is closed hardware and it means noting. The only people who benefit from it are Apple as it allows them to fix prices. Every piece of important hardware is sourced outside of Apple from the same sources as Dell or any other PC maker, claiming because their hardware is closed therefore superior is ridiculous.
*chuckle* spoken like someone who knows absolutly nothing about computers. I have been a network admin for the last 10 years. I also program, and you are clueless on this issue.

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The iMac is really nice. I got one for my son and the one-piece deal is so nice. No more cables all over the place.
those IMacs are very nice. I have a few running on my network. We have one Apple that has been in use for the last 8 years with out ANY problems. I have not had to touch it once. These things have very little problems if any. Apple makes a great piece of equipment. Our XP machines on the other hand, not so much.
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Old 07-04-2008, 12:12 PM
 
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those IMacs are very nice. I have a few running on my network. We have one Apple that has been in use for the last 8 years with out ANY problems. I have not had to touch it once. These things have very little problems if any. Apple makes a great piece of equipment. Our XP machines on the other hand, not so much.
Back in 99, I bought an 400MHz imac. It still works great, and I never had to do a thing to it. No virus software, no hard drive maintenance, nothing. It starts up on OSX and can check email in less than two minutes. OS9 is even faster.

My four year old POS Dell thats supposed to be three times as fast as the mac literally takes ten minutes to start up and check email because of the way windows manages to clutter itself up with garbage over time.

New imac takes 45 seconds or less to boot and get mail.

The extra time waiting on windows would cost me a week's production over the life of the computer. At the rate I bill, that's thousands of dollars in lost time just waiting for the ****** machine to boot.
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Old 07-04-2008, 06:18 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles Area
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*chuckle* spoken like someone who knows absolutly nothing about computers. I have been a network admin for the last 10 years. I also program, and you are clueless on this issue.
Seriously, this is just funny. You're a damn network admin that makes you an expert in hardware because?! Oh but you program too! Wow! Do you write some Perl scripts? Anyhow, you have no authority in this matter so please stick to actual arguments. I'm surprised you didn't mention your degrees again.


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My four year old POS Dell thats supposed to be three times as fast as the mac literally takes ten minutes to start up and check email because of the way windows manages to clutter itself up with garbage over time.
Windows XP and OS X take about the same time to load, so if you were seeing boot times this extreme it was because something was wrong with your computer. And of course nothing ever goes wrong with Macs right?

Seriously Mac Fanboys(and girls) are funny. They insist that Macs are better, and site a number of myths to show it (A number of completely false assertions have been made in this thread). Its part of the mac cult, people using Windows don't care whether windows is better or not.

Anyhow, OS X is not better in any real measurable way from Windows XP. If you prefer it good for you. Macs in general use pretty good hardware, where as the cheap HP form Best Buy uses complete junk. So some of the macs "makes have less problems" in some sense is true. But in another sense its not. You can easily get Windows machines with good hardware (Dell's OptiPlex and Precision are such machines). So basically its about personal preference. Now we can go back to talking about how Apple will do during the recession.
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Old 07-04-2008, 06:34 PM
 
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Anyhow, OS X is not better in any real measurable way from Windows XP.
XP was just a fad.....its obsolete now

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Windows XP and OS X take about the same time to load
That might have been true out of the box, but after 4 years it wasn't. I was at the accountant the other day, and they had to boot up an XP box to print an invoice. It took foreeeeeevvvverrrrrr......

Somehow I don't think I'm the only one who has gotten frustrated with slow boots on Windoze boxes.

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