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Old 07-28-2008, 09:56 AM
 
Location: Jonquil City (aka Smyrna) Georgia- by Atlanta
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I just do not understand what the heck is going on with the stock market. The news is good, corporate earnings are up and oil is falling. So why is the Dow still falling? This makes no sense to me at all! It seems that all the big traders must be stuck on stupid or something.
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Old 07-28-2008, 09:59 AM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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I just do not understand what the heck is going on with the stock market. The news is good, corporate earnings are up and oil is falling. So why is the Dow still falling? This makes no sense to me at all! It seems that all the big traders must be stuck on stupid or something.
The Dow is overpriced, IMO. Costs 11 ounced of gold to buy the index, when it only cost 1 ounce in the 70s. They should track at about 1-to-1 or 2-to-1 just like it did before.

The P/E ratios are too high and even with the ones that are low, their earnings expectations are very bleak going forward.
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Old 07-28-2008, 10:33 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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Maybe investors are looking ahead more than this afternoon's closing?
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Old 07-28-2008, 10:53 AM
 
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There is still a lot of unrecognized bad debt floating around in the financial sector that is off the books, much more than what caused some of them to go bankrupt. Investors know this and weary of investing because once it comes out (i.e. the companies can't hide it anymore), its game over... why invest in a market ridden with hidden risks of the subprime mess? So the good news means little when the bigger picture is one with a big fat bear trashing the DOW...
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Old 07-28-2008, 11:40 AM
 
Location: America
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Maybe investors are looking ahead more than this afternoon's closing?
whoa, wait a minute. You mean people who actually understand investing look at more than what has gone on for the past week?
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Old 07-28-2008, 12:18 PM
 
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whoa, wait a minute. You mean people who actually understand investing look at more than what has gone on for the past week?
It's a crazy thought eh. I'll never understand how people can only look at earnings or whatever and announce definitively, the news is good. Sometimes you have to stop and look around. I guess it's the difference between being book smart and street smart.
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Old 07-28-2008, 01:31 PM
 
Location: Backwoods of Maine
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Uhhh...who said things were good?

You been watchin' TV again?
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Old 07-28-2008, 01:55 PM
 
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So why is the Dow still falling?
The DOW has had a lot of resistance around 11,200 this year. If you see it significantly above or below that number, there's a good chance that a correction isn't too far away.

In this case, it went really low, and with a little good news values jumped up further than they should have. Now that its back to 11,200, I'm guessing that it will see resistance here again.
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Old 07-28-2008, 02:22 PM
 
Location: Sitting on a bar stool. Guinness in hand.
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Good News?

Headline: Bush administration projects record 2009 deficit

Bush administration projects record 2009 deficit - Yahoo! News (broken link)
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Old 07-29-2008, 04:26 AM
 
Location: Central CT, sometimes NH.
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The short sellers are hammering good companies with unprecedented use of "naked shorts." The SEC just sits on the sidelines and lets unscrupulous profiteers rape American companies and join in a feeding frenzy in driving nearly every bank toward a zero value.

The overhead resistance is so strong and the short hammering so harsh that investors who had been in some of the banks and now insurance companies are being shaken out because they have seen DECADES of equity erased in the past 6 to 9 months.

Wake up America! This has happened before. Fortunately for us 100 years ago we had Teddy Roosevelt, a man of principle and passion, as president. He deplored the lazy, destructive actions of his privileged-class members. The following quote from Theodore Roosevelt, Preacher of Righteousness sums it up:

"No man is worth much anywhere if he does not possess both moral and physical courage." Apparently a great many of his own class no longer did. They were too busy "speculating in stocks and wrecking railroads," while allowing their sons "to lead lives of expensive idleness and gross debauchery."

What eerie parallels. Now we have speculating in commodities and wrecking banks. Many of the regulatory safeguards that Roosevelt instituted or strengthened have been weakened or erased over the past 20 years and the same corrupt behavior rerears its ugly head through a series of complicated financial "exoctics" designed to relieve the average person of what little money they have managed to put into their 401k (another sore subject of organized manipulation of other peoples' money, think IndyMac).
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