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Old 11-07-2008, 02:55 AM
 
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YouTube - I.O.U.S.A.: Byte-Sized - The 30 Minute Version
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Old 11-07-2008, 07:05 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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Pure propoganda and complete nonsense.
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Old 11-07-2008, 07:43 AM
 
Location: Wouldn't you like to know?
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Did not watch the clip, but the avg life expectancy when this (SS) was introduced (in the 1930's) was around 65.

Basically the intention was you wouldn't collect much SS because you'd die before you had the chance.

People are living longer today and adjustments haven't kept up w/funding (because of politics), so that's why we're in this mess.
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Old 11-07-2008, 08:10 AM
 
Location: Heartland Florida
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We are in this mess due to government regulated medicine and special interests. I believe that medical care is as much as 500% overpriced and priorities are only for profit. Instead of letting people die with dignity they pump them full of medicine, cut them up and keep them alive for a few more months to rake in the govenment cash. The whole system is so screwed up that there is no fix. Outrageous medical school expenses and stupid requirements limit competition while protecting dysfunctional attitudes. Medicine is an example of how government regulation combined with greed creates a system that cannot continue.
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Old 11-07-2008, 09:40 AM
 
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When Medicare was implemented, healthcare comprised roughly 5% of the GDP. Today, after 40 years of Medicare, that figure is around 18%. What's more, this has taken place in a time when technology and information systems have allowed more efficiency in care. So the cost of care has increased, adjusted for inflation, while productivity has skyrocketed. This is an astonishing economic contradiction. It should be impossible, yet it has happened.

That's because government intervention in the healthcare marketplace has required a great deal of inefficiency to be built into the system in payment, in records keeping, etc. etc.

What's more, government intervention in healthcare has actually retarded availability of care. Need an example? I live in a city where the suburbs have exploded southward. We also have a lot of fine hospitals in the downtown area. Yet no new hospital has built in the suburbs south of town. Why? Because the government has to approve the building of any new hospital. It also has to approve the acquisition of any new major diagnostic equipment or the introduction of any new service. Naturally, all the hospitals fight one another, so the healthcare consumer gets hosed. And that means if you're having a heart attack, it's going to be a twenty-mile ride to the hospital. All because government has stepped into the fray.
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Old 11-07-2008, 10:41 AM
 
Location: Texas
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wealth redistribution from the hands of honest working folks to government bureaucrats.
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Old 11-07-2008, 11:44 AM
 
Location: where you sip the tea of the breasts of the spinsters of Utica
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I always thought that maybe this country could afford health care if we weren't blowing all the taxpayer money on national offense .... fighting foreign wars, and keeping the military big enough to fight 3 overseas wars instead of one for self-defense here.

Maybe we don't need to be the policemen of the world.

Just a thought.
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Old 11-07-2008, 11:46 AM
 
Location: Some place very cold
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Utter and complete B.S.

How many years of social security could we have paid if it weren't for bank bailout?

I'm so sick of hearing all these lies, lies, lies.

Don't you know they ultimate goal is to keep us poor and uneducated and brainwashed?

I'm an educated, intelligent person. I work hard all the time, and I have to count every dime when I go to the grocery store. Hmmm, how many meals can I get from that butternut squash over there? Any protein on sale today? There's not a chance for me when I get older, not a chance. The day I can no longer work and earn an income is the day I crawl somewhere quiet to starve and die.
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Old 11-07-2008, 03:24 PM
 
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I didn't watch the whole thing. I watched the first 10 minutes.

Someone enlighten me, what' the B.S. behind this video? From the parts I saw, it seemed like a reasonable collection of facts.
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Old 11-07-2008, 07:29 PM
 
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I didn't watch the whole thing. I watched the first 10 minutes.

Someone enlighten me, what' the B.S. behind this video? From the parts I saw, it seemed like a reasonable collection of facts.
lol yea. It is not BS it is facts. Not sure how complicated that can be to understand.

What I think the others are thinking is that the government is going to have to dump social security and medicare. Which, IMO, they will do sooner or later. Either a direct write off or more than likely through inflation. It is easier to pay your liabilities with money that is worth less.

We are already seeing the early cracks forming in the economy. We can't pay your social security/medicare benefits if we don't have jobs!

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I always thought that maybe this country could afford health care if we weren't blowing all the taxpayer money on national offense .... fighting foreign wars, and keeping the military big enough to fight 3 overseas wars instead of one for self-defense here.
That is part of the problem too, but not the entire problem. The video goes to state that we have over promised medicare and social security. Last year we passed a budget that was 400 odd some billion in the red. Ironically, the military budget is in the range of 600-700 billion per year. If we just cut the military budget by 400 billion that would balance the budget, over night. That would be a start.
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