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Old 12-05-2008, 11:56 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Besides, crazy as it seems ... you can't rely on a jobs report to tell you what's really happening with the economy.

As today's report points out ... the unemployment rate was just as high in 1993 ... nearly two years after the 1990-1991 recession was over. Yet that was the beginning of a phenomenal bull market up to 2000.

Jobs are always the last to go during a recession and jobs are the last to come back during the recovery.
Now here's a question for you.

Was the calculation for unemployment the same in 1993 as it is today ?
Were the same data sets used ?

If not, then they cannot compare equitably.
The 1993 stats compared to today is apples and oranges as they HAVE changed the way they calculate unemployment which is to disqualify more people from the count.
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Old 12-05-2008, 11:56 AM
 
Location: Beautiful Lakes & Mountains of East TN
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We're getting our answer. -26.44? How is that possible? With a little doctorin' it is...
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Old 12-05-2008, 11:57 AM
 
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We've already had our traditional big sell off month in October. The people who were going to sell have already sold.
We had big sell off months all year. This is not your typical year.
I'll wager there's very few folks that need to sell this October to claim some losses.
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Old 12-05-2008, 11:58 AM
 
Location: Beautiful Lakes & Mountains of East TN
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Regarding unemployment figures compared to years ago, below is a link to alternate data. It compares unemployment percentage of today, with the same data if they were using traditional criteria to calculate it.

A couple months ago I think it came in around 15% using the old method. I wonder what it'd be today.

http://www.shadowstats.com/alternate_data
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Old 12-05-2008, 12:05 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Regarding unemployment figures compared to years ago, below is a link to alternate data. It compares unemployment percentage of today, with the same data if they were using traditional criteria to calculate it.

A couple months ago I think it came in around 15% using the old method. I wonder what it'd be today.

Inflation, Money Supply, GDP, Unemployment and the Dollar - Alternate Data Series
OMG..they had to change the chart for unemployment cause it topped out at 16%..it's top is now at 18% and we are over 16% as of today.
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Old 12-05-2008, 12:26 PM
 
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OMG..they had to change the chart for unemployment cause it topped out at 16%..it's top is now at 18% and we are over 16% as of today.
I think they will need to raise the chart past 20 by mid next year.
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Old 12-05-2008, 12:53 PM
 
Location: Beautiful Lakes & Mountains of East TN
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So what gives now, what is the rationale for +161.53???
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Old 12-05-2008, 12:59 PM
 
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Seriously, if the market doesn't end with one of those 3pm on Friday core dumps, I don't trust it anymore. You just don't trade up on bad news.
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Old 12-05-2008, 01:06 PM
 
Location: Texas
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The game is rigged. Time to trade all paper assets for real ones, keeping just enough liquid cash around to pay the bills.
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Old 12-05-2008, 01:13 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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The game has been rigged for a while but now it's too obvious.
The fundamentals went out of whack last year but it was subtle and spatters of good news covered it up. The alternate sites all said "get out" last year.
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